sykikcabbage Posted 20 June , 2008 Share Posted 20 June , 2008 Hello there, everyone -- new board user here...! As the topic title suggests, I'm looking for any book that might deal in depth with the Allied occupation of Istanbul between 1918 and 1923. It's borderline Great War territory, I know; but I was at a loss to know where else to ask! I'd probably better point out that I already have Istanbul Under Allied Occupation 1918-1923 by Nur Bilge Criss. To judge from searches on Amazon the published literature in the English language on this subject is very slim, and I suspect that may be the only title, but I live in hope. (Battery Press was planning to publish Military Operations Constantinople as part of the Official History of the War series; a draft provisional history by Brig. Gen. Sir James Edmonds was prepared in 1944 but never printed, and Battery Press hoped to produce an expanded version in collaboration with the Imperial War Museum in London. Sadly, since the retirement of Dr G.M. Bayliss as Keeper of Printed Books at the IWM, the Museum staff have lost interest in Battery Press's publishing programme -- which I think is a great shame -- and Military Operations Constantinople was one of several planned titles that have unfortunately since been dropped.) However, if anyone knows of any other books in the English language that tackle this subject in some detail, I'd be very grateful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenwoodman Posted 20 June , 2008 Share Posted 20 June , 2008 "The Chanak Affair" by David Walder. Published by Hutchinson London 1969 Showing available on Amazon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted 20 June , 2008 Share Posted 20 June , 2008 I ahven't read it, but have the following reference: Bartrop, P. R. 'Bolt From The Blue: Australia, Britain and the Chanak Crisis', Rushcutters Bay (Sydney), Halstead Press, 2002. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sykikcabbage Posted 25 June , 2008 Author Share Posted 25 June , 2008 Thanks for the suggestions, chaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigT Posted 25 September , 2008 Share Posted 25 September , 2008 It only mentions British Military Operations in passing but " Smyrna 1922" - by Marjorie Housepian Dobkin, is an excellent read about events in Turkey following WW1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob lembke Posted 25 September , 2008 Share Posted 25 September , 2008 It only mentions British Military Operations in passing but " Smyrna 1922" - by Marjorie Housepian Dobkin, is an excellent read about events in Turkey following WW1. I believe that I saw this book in a bookstore, and skimmed it for a few minutes, and found it, from my viewpoint (which, of course, may not also be without bias), rather sensationally pro-Greek and anti-Turkish. From Trevor's post, something that I had not noticed at the time, the author seems to have an Armenian maiden name. It is true on most any topic, but in particular on matters in Turkey at this period, many people writing on topics in history have very strong personal issues. I do not suggest not reading things, but to be alert to this factor. I have not read all of it, and intend to, but I remember reading in the US Ambassador Morgenthau memoir, a major source on Turkey and WW I, him describing a major Turkish leader, from memory, paraphrasing: "He could even eat well with knife and fork, which disguised the savage nature of his race." Or something very close to that. Not a very good sign of some objectivity. Bob Lembke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigT Posted 3 October , 2008 Share Posted 3 October , 2008 I believe that I saw this book in a bookstore, and skimmed it for a few minutes, and found it, from my viewpoint (which, of course, may not also be without bias), rather sensationally pro-Greek and anti-Turkish. From Trevor's post, something that I had not noticed at the time, the author seems to have an Armenian maiden name. It is true on most any topic, but in particular on matters in Turkey at this period, many people writing on topics in history have very strong personal issues. I do not suggest not reading things, but to be alert to this factor. I have not read all of it, and intend to, but I remember reading in the US Ambassador Morgenthau memoir, a major source on Turkey and WW I, him describing a major Turkish leader, from memory, paraphrasing: "He could even eat well with knife and fork, which disguised the savage nature of his race." Or something very close to that. Not a very good sign of some objectivity. Bob Lembke I dont think anyone comes out of this book well, especially the British and Americans, as ever in the final analysis it was all about oil, Iraq was then a Turkish province Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James A Pratt III Posted 9 October , 2008 Share Posted 9 October , 2008 There is a little in "RAF Operations 1918-1938" Chaz Bowyer. It seems a number of RAF squadrons were quite busy between the World Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 11 October , 2008 Share Posted 11 October , 2008 I have an album of original photographs taken by an RAF officer during the occupation. I can post them if anyone is interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogan Sahin Posted 12 October , 2008 Share Posted 12 October , 2008 I have an album of original photographs taken by an RAF officer during the occupation. I can post them if anyone is interested. Hi High Wood, I would be very much interested to have the photos if you could? If you may, please send message to my personal email .. thanks in advance dogan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 13 October , 2008 Share Posted 13 October , 2008 Hi High Wood, I would be very much interested to have the photos if you could? If you may, please send message to my personal email .. thanks in advance dogan I will post them on the Forum if the Psychic Cabbage doesn't mind his thread being hijacked. It will take me a day or so to photograph them. Simon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 13 October , 2008 Share Posted 13 October , 2008 I have managed to photograph a few but there are too many to post on the Forum, (over 100) individual photographs. Some are scenes of Constantinople and there are post-war scenes of Gallipoli. Most relate to 207 Squadron RAF and feature a large number of crashed aircraft and workshop scenes. There are a few tourist type scenes, individual street sellers, views, etc, and the odd battleship. I am happy to post them if people are interested, if not let me know. The two senior officers in the lower photograph might be Lt Gen Sir Charles H. Harrington K.C.B., D.S.O. and Group Captain Peregrine Foebes Morant Fellowes. D.S.O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 13 October , 2008 Share Posted 13 October , 2008 Some crashed aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 13 October , 2008 Share Posted 13 October , 2008 More crashed aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 13 October , 2008 Share Posted 13 October , 2008 Yet more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 14 October , 2008 Share Posted 14 October , 2008 A few Turkish scenes. Note the printing on the boxes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 14 October , 2008 Share Posted 14 October , 2008 Turkish soldiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 15 October , 2008 Share Posted 15 October , 2008 Turkish landmarks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 17 October , 2008 Share Posted 17 October , 2008 not much response but I will keep going........... French ossuary at Gallipoli and a Turkish ossuary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 17 October , 2008 Share Posted 17 October , 2008 French Cemetery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 17 October , 2008 Share Posted 17 October , 2008 Simon, Don't worry about the response [or lack thereof] I think that we're all struck dumb with jealousy that you've got "an album of original photographs taken by an RAF officer during the occupation" Keep posting - we're ALL interested with best regards Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 17 October , 2008 Share Posted 17 October , 2008 French grave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 17 October , 2008 Share Posted 17 October , 2008 Now #20 is really fascinating Was that the French cemetery at the old fort before they moved/concentrated their burials to the present site It certainly looks like 'V' Beach in the immediate background Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 17 October , 2008 Share Posted 17 October , 2008 Simon, Don't worry about the response [or lack thereof] I think that we're all struck dumb with jealousy that you've got "an album of original photographs taken by an RAF officer during the occupation" Keep posting - we're ALL interested with best regards Michael Michael, thank you for that. I was a little worried about hijacking the thread. As to the photograph album, it is a little the worse for wear and sadly uncaptioned. I was rather hoping that somebody might be able to add a few comments about the locations, aircraft, Turkish uniforms, etc. Simon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 17 October , 2008 Share Posted 17 October , 2008 I think that post 20 may be of the French cemetery at the old fort. Another picture has the name Ossuaire Massnou on it but I had no luck when I googled it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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