Look-ups offered

[CROONAERT]

As a "last Hurrah!" I'm offering look ups (within reason) from the following regimental/battalion/brigade/divisional histories. This offer will be closing at midnight GMT on Friday 20th June....

H.A.C.

Manchester Regiment - 7^th, 10^th, 11^th, 12^th, 16^th, 17^th, 18^th, 19^th,21^st, 24^th Bns

East Yorkshire regiment

Kings Own – 4^th Bn

North Lancs

South Lancs

East Lancs

King's Liverpools

Royal Irish Fusiliers (1^st Bn)

Cheshire Regiment

Irish Guards

West Yorkshire Regiment

KRRC

Essex Regt. – 9^th, 10^th, 11^th, 13^th, 15^th Bns

Royal fusiliers

42^nd Divl.R.E.

The Buffs

Q.O.Royal West Kents

Middlesex Regt

Devonshire regiment

Suffolk regiment

Hampshire Regiment

KOYLI

Gloucestershire Regiment – 1^st, 2^nd, 3^rd, 4^th, 5^th, 6^th bns

Sherwood foresters – 8^th , 10^th bns

DoL Own Yeomanry

Norfolk Regt

Border Regt

London Scottish

Hood Bn RND

Yorkshire Regiment (Green howards)

Lincolnshire Regiment

Warwickshire Regiment – 14^th ,15^th Bns

Worcestershire Regiment

DLI – 6^th, 8^th, 18^th bns

Leicestershire regt. – 5^th bn

Berkshire regt – 1/4^th Bn

Somerset light Infantry – 1^st bn

Ox * Bucks – 2/4^th Bn

Black Watch – 2^nd Bn

KOSB – 4^th Bn

HLI – 5^th, 9^th, 17^th Bns

Seaforths – 5^th Bn

Gordons – 7^th bn

Cameron hghrs – 7^th Bn

Royal Irish Rifles

54^th Inf.Bde

15^th Inf bde

51^st Div

55^th Div

42^nd Div

6^th Div

38^th Div

47^th Div

Guards Div

15^th div

36^th div

12^th div

46^th Div

4^th CEF

10^th CEF

13^th CEF

72^nd CEF

76^th CEF

85^th CEF

102^nd CEF

116^th CEF

43 Bty CFA

55 Bty CFA

60^th CFA

4^th Can.Inf.bde

4^th CMR

Canterbury Regt.

16^th (US) Infantry

82^nd (US) Div

33^rd (US) Div

(French) R.I.1,2,3,4,5,9,10,13,15,18,19,20,25,48,57,65,92,112,155,156,168,169,174,208,225,248

,253,254,270,350,354,361,404,408,410,411,414,418

R.I.T. 4,5,13,14,17,23,24,27,28,31,33,41,42,45,53,55,56,57,60,66,73

B.C.A.7

B.C.P. 1,4,10,17,18,20,21,44,46

[Antonjdown]

Hi there

Can you check on Percy Turner of the Middlesex? Born Holloway/Tottenham, survived the war. Family rumour was that he was a sniper in France. Don't think he was a regular.

Also, a massive favour - looking for an Alfred Down, who in 1901 was a regular in the Devonshire Regiment. Have been checking for info on him and can find nothing. Don't think he was in WW1.

[Paul Reed]

Dave - can you scan them all and put them on a disk? By Friday the 20th would be great, mate... and all that scanning will make you say 'Hurrah' once or twice, I am sure. Or maybe something similar...

[John_Hartley]

Can you check on Percy Turner of the Middlesex?

Unless he was an officer, he is most unlikely to get any mention in a battalion or regimental history.

[Antonjdown]

Unless he was an officer, he is most unlikely to get any mention in a battalion or regimental history.

Ah fair enough. No, definitely not an officer.

[ralphjd]

Anything on 2LT Frank Blackburn 1/5th East Lancs MGC section kia 24-10-1917 Regards Ralph.

[hadham]

Any info on and around the dates of the death on these two men would be great,

Alfred Anderson 1st london scottish killed 14/10/1918 ~burried Derry house cem'.

P.W.R Doll Machine gunner 1st/8th Kings Liverpool 31/10/1914 ~ Ypres mem'

Cheers,

Richard

[CROONAERT]

Just so no-one thinks I've forgotten this thread if I don't answer any beforehand- I'll let all the requests come in this week and answer them all in one sitting on one day over the weekend/Monday.

dave

[CROONAERT]

Dave - can you scan them all and put them on a disk?

yeah , no problem! . Friday the 20th of what - and what year?

dave

[Paul Reed]

Sorry mate, couldn't resist... owe you one more beer on top of all the others for the favours you've done me!

[John_Hartley]

yeah , no problem! . Friday the 20th of what - and what year?

I'll be happy to wait till the 21st - for the indexed version.

[jay dubaya]

Dave, a very kind offer.

Anything that you may come across to the following would be very much appreciated,

cheers, Jon

Lt. Trayton Golding Grinter, 2nd Border, believed wounded at Loos and survived the war (he's family)

Sgt. Edward Bowmaker, 2nd Border, KiA 26/10/14

Capt. Charles George Lyall, 1st Lincs, 18/10/14

Major Francis George Wynne, 2nd N. Lancs, 10/04/18

Capt. The Hon. Roland Erasmus Phillips, 9th R. Fusiliers, 07/07/16

2/Lt. Frederick James Thomas, 3rd W. Yorks, 21/09/17

Lt. William Clement Wilson, 1st Worcesters, 25/09/15

[stiletto_33853]

Jon,

Captain The Hon. Roland Erasmus Philipps (M.C.), His School Roll gives only 1 L in the surname, if you need his bio from school let me know.

Dave hope you don't mind me popping in with this for Jon.

Andy

[jay dubaya]

My mistake Andy, should be double 'P' Yes I would very much like to see his school bio, don't suppose his brother went to the same school? Capt. Colwyn Erasmus Arnold Philipps, RHG. The brothers (I'm thinking that they may be twins) are on one of my local memorials,

cheers, Jon

[RFC01]

Could you look up unit actions for 1/KOYLI, Salonika campaign the 3 months (if its not too extensive of course) leading upto or a few days upto and around 20/11/1916? Im looking for a KIA mentioned on that day and possible circustances of death.

If hes mentioned at all hes Prvt. WT Chamberlain.

If his KIA isnt mentioned then location of unit leading upto DOD if possible.

Thanks very much

[Diane Alden]

My Grandfather was in 6th Border Regiment KIA 29.9. 1916.

Could you possibly tell me where they were between June 1916 and end of August 1916 please. I have details for all of September 1916.

Thank you very much

Kindest Regards

Diane

[stiletto_33853]

Jon,

Full size picture and his bio sent to you, hope it helps.

Andy

[stiletto_33853]

Jon,

Full size picture and his bio sent to you, hope it helps.

Andy

[stiletto_33853]

Jon,

Full size picture and his bio sent to you, hope it helps.

Andy

[liverpool annie]

Dave ... by any chance would you be able to help me with this soldier and what he was doing .... 1st South Lancs but attached to the Persian Rifles ?? The 1st S. Lancs were stationed in India throughout the war. The South Persia Rifles were formed by Sir Percy Sykes in Persia Nov-Dec. 1916. He requested British officers and NCOs be sent out to help train and run the unit. Being in India on garrison duties I wonder if Edgar volunteered for attachment or was posted?

Name BATTLE, EDGAR HARRY

Initials: E H

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Sergeant

Regiment: South Lancashire Regiment

Unit Text: 1st Bn.

Age: 27

Date of Death: 04/07/1918

Service No: 9551

Awards: MM

Additional information: Croix de Guerre with palms (France). Son of Richard and Matilda Battle, of 257, Stapleton Rd., Bristol. Born at Waltham Abbey, Herts.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: I. E. 15.

Cemetery: TEHRAN WAR CEMETERY

[Promenade]

FAO Richard Maddams

Firstly apologies to Dave for hijacking his thread!

Richard if you have any additional material from your own sources would be grateful to hear from you.

Promenade

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DOLL, Lieutenant, PHILIP WALTER RUDOLPH, 1st Battalion. King's Liverpool Regiment. 31st October 1914. Age 24. Machine Gun Officer Son of Charles Fitzroy Doll, F.R.I.B.A., F.S.I., J.P., (London and Hertford), and Emily Frances Doll (née Tyler), of Hadham Towers, Much Hadham, Herts. Winner of Lord Roberts' Gold Cup at Aldershot, 1914, with his guns. (Ypres (Menin Gate) Memorial - Belgium)

Philip Walter Rudolph Doll was bron at 74 Gower St, London on 28/5/90 the son of Charles Fitzroy Doll (architect) and Emily Frances Doll (formerly Tyler). At the time of the Great War they were living at Hadham Towers, Much Hadham, Herts. Philip was educated at Charterhouse (Jan 1905 - July 1907 and West Wratting Park Jan 1908 to April 1908. He applied for a commission at Sandhurst 30/4/08. His death was reported by OC 54 Battery RFA whose men evidently found Doll's body. (Officers Papers PRO - WO339/7448)

A fourth son he was born on 28/5/90, and educated at Charterhouse and at RMC Sandhurst. Entered the Kings in November 1909 and promoted Lieutenant in April 1910. Photo (Bond of Sacrifice)

Extracted from the Regimental History by Everard Wyrall

THE BATTLE OF GHELUVELT: 29TH 31ST OCTOBER

By the morning of 29th October, the British front line east of Ypres had been readjusted. The 2nd Division, on the left, held a line from the junction with the French just east of Broodseinde, on the Zonnebeke - Moorslede road, to west of Reutel; from the latter point the 1st Division continued the line to the cross roads (about one mile east of Gheluvelt) on the Ypres Menin road; from the cross roads the 21st Brigade of the 7th Division carried the line to Zandvoorde, the 7th Cavalry Brigade continuing the line thence to Hollebeke. Of the 2nd Division, the 4th (Guards) Brigade held the line on the right, the 5th Infantry Brigade the centre, and the 6th Infantry Brigade the left; each brigade had two battalions in the front line. The 2nd South Staffords on the right and the 1st K.R.R.'s on the left, held the 6th Brigade front; the 1st King's and the 1st Berkshires were in reserve.

As already stated, the 1st King's had moved, after relief by the 2nd H.L.I., back into reserve near 6th Brigade Headquarters, and orders had been received to "rest the men as much as possible," though, as the battalion had to be ready to move at ten minutes' notice, there was not much chance of resting. To add to the irony of the situation, orderlies from Brigade Headquarters arrived at intervals of about half an hour respecting these orders - on the last occasion when everyone at Battalion Headquarters was asleep - "but the orderly got us up all right," said the Commanding Officer. As soon as daylight broke on the 29th and the men had been issued with rations, the battalion, still under orders to move at "ten minutes," but hoping for a couple of days' rest, set to work to have a general clean up after the five days spent in the trenches. Rifles and equipment were in a filthy condition, and all ranks were dirty from the muddy state of the trenches. But, sure enough, at 1p.m. orders came to hand to move at once to the north west corner of Polygon Wood, in divisional reserve.

Under cover of a mist the Germans had attacked in force against the junction of the 1st and 7th Divisions at the cross roads, east of Gheluvelt, and after very severe fighting had succeeded in rolling up the battalions to right and left. The resistance of the gallant troops which held the front line delayed the enemy sufficiently to allow reserves of the 1st Division to be put into the line, and their counter attack regained all but the most advanced trenches. The enemy did not succeed in penetrating as far as Gheluvelt and his gains were inconsiderable. It was the attack, and the situation likely to arise out of it, which occasioned the move of the 1st King's to the north west corner of the Polygon Wood.

The battalion reached its destination about 2 p.m. and at once began to dig themselves in. They were busily engaged in this work when General Monro, the General Officer Commanding, 2nd Division, passed on horseback. The General pulled up and said to Major Steavenson: "In every detail your Regiment has done magnificently, whether in the field, on the march, or fatigue, and even as orderlies. Everyone who comes in is saying the same thing. Tell the men from me that they ought to be proud of themselves."

The King's men were ordered to stay the night in their position, and the officers (now only ten in number) took shelter in a cottage. The cookers were brought up and a hot meal prepared for the men, who passed a comparatively comfortable night.

At 6 a.m. on 30th, the battalion received orders to move back again to their old position near 6th Brigade Headquarters, and a little later had reached their previous billets in Westhoek. Here they were again told to "rest," but be ready to move at a moment's notice. There was, however, "little doing" for the battalion on 30th, and the day's happenings are thus summed up in Colonel (then Captain and Adjutant) P. Hudson's diary: "About 3.30 p.m. heard that Germans had broken through the line of the Connaught Rangers (the left battalion of the 5th Infantry Brigade). `C' Company sent up to cover that flank. Heavy shell fire, but were quite comfortable in our trenches and spent a quiet night. Casualties - 3."

The 31st October was the most critical day for the British Expeditionary Force since it landed in France in August. But not a word of the serious happenings of the day, nor anything which would give the reader an insight into the terrible anxiety all along the line, or of the sledge hammer blows delivered by the enemy on, and south of, the Ypres - Menin road, from Gheluvelt as far south as Messines, is contained in the Diary of the 1st King's. For on this day a violent effort to break through the British line, capture Ypres and sweep on to the coastal towns, was made by the Army Group Fabeck from Gheluvelt to Messines, but the dogged fighting of "tired, haggard and unshaven men, unwashed, plastered with mud, many in little more than rags," again robbed the enemy of victory. Although the 1st and 2nd Cavalry Divisions, between the Ypres - Comines Canal and Messines, made a wonderful stand and put up a splendid defence in the face of overwhelming numbers, the most dramatic fighting took place at Gheluvelt, that village being first captured by the Germans and then retaken by the 2nd Worcestershire Regiment of the 2nd Division, at a moment when things looked black indeed for the whole British Force.1

Dawn of the 31st October broke misty and there was every sign of a fine day. The 1st King's were still "resting" at Westhoek, having passed a quiet night. When the battalion turned out at 5.30 a.m. it was cold and dull. From 7 a.m. the King's men were "standing by" ready to move at a moment's notice. About 6 a.m. a heavy attack had been made against the whole line of the 1st Division from Reutel to the Ypres - Menin road just east of Gheluvelt. The German attack increased in violence and hostile artillery fire gradually became more intense. About 11.30 a.m. the King's received orders to move at once to the south west corner of the Polygon Wood. The battalion moved off in ten minutes, by companies, at 300 yards intervals owing to shell fire and in order to prevent the enemy detecting the movement of troops. It took one and a half hours to reach their allotted position, but, having arrived, the Commanding Officer reported to Colonel Pereira (2nd Coldstrearn Guards), who was temporarily in command of the 5th Brigade. The King's men, with the 2nd Worcesters (who were also in reserve), were told that if the line of the 1st Brigade was driven from the Gheluvelt Ridge, they were to counter attack. Company Commanders were, therefore, sent out to reconnoitre the ground over which the advance would take place. One officer (Lieut. P. W. R. Doll), who had gone out by himself, did not return and search parties could not find him; he was afterwards reported killed. Gheluvelt was lost about midday, but during the famous counter attack made by the 2nd Worcesters, the King's remained in reserve in the south west corner of the Polygon Wood. At dusk they received orders to hold the edge of the wood and cover the retirement of the 3rd Brigade. Companies then started digging hard and improving the hitherto hastily dug trenches. The line they held was no sinecure. It was about 1,400 yards in length and there were only 700 men to hold it, which meant one man for every two yards of trench. There were no reserves behind, only the guns. The companies were spread out from right to left in the following order: "D," "A," "B," "C." At 8 p.m. the mess cart and cookers came up and food was prepared and served out to officers and men. On the left the King's joined up with the 4th (Guards) Brigade (2nd Division), and on the right with the Black Watch (1st Division). Casualties during the day were one officer killed and five N.C.O.'s and men killed and wounded.

The following is taken from the War Diary of 1 KLR

30/10/14

Received orders at 6am that we were put under orders of the 6th Brigade again and moved back to our last nights billets at Nord Westhoek. About 3.30 heard that the Germans had broken through the line of the Connaught Rangers. C Company was sent up to cover that flank. Heavy shell fire but were quite comfortable in our trenches and spent a quiet night. Casualties 3.

31/10/14

Received orders at 11.30am to move down to the SW corner of Polygon Wood. Companies moved off at 300 yard intervals between companies, owing to shell fire and so as to prevent the enemy from noticing that troops were being moved. Reported arrival of Col Ferriers, Coldstream Guards, who was temporarily in command of 5 Brigade. Worcesters in reserve with ourselves . Received orders that we were to counter attack with the Worcesters if the 1st Brigade were driven from the Gheluveldt Ridge. Company officers went out to reconnoitre ground over which we had to advance. Lt Doll did not come back. Sent search parties out after him but could find no trace of him. First orders were then cancelled and the Battalion was ordered to occupy a line from the SW corner of Polygon Wood to connext with the right of the Guards Brigade who were on our left along the southern edge of the Wood. The Black Watch on our right and the Camerons on their right. Casualties 5 NCOs and men killed and wounded. Lieutenant Doll missing.

Charles Fitzroy Doll married Emily Frances Tyler (b. 8/5/52) on 26/8/79. Their children were Christian Charles Tyler Doll b. 22/3/80, William Alfred Melenge Doll b. 19/7/85, Maudaunt Henry Casper Doll b. 5/4/88, Philip Walter Rudolph Doll b. 28/5/90 and Honor Emily Muriel Tyler b. 19/1/93.

In the 1901 Census Philip is listed as a pupil of Pinewood School, Farnborough.

1901 Census Class: RG13; Piece: 1288; Folio: 43; Page: 14.

Charles F Doll

Age: 50

Occupation architect

Address The Woodlands Much Hadham

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851

Relation: Head

Spouse's Name: Emily F Doll, 48, b. India

Gender: Male

Where born: Chelsea, London

Honor Emily Muriel Doll 8, b. London

Annie E Price 25, housemaid

Elizabeth M Price 59, housekeeper

1901 Census Class: RG13; Piece: 239; Folio: 8; Page: 8.

Christian Charles Tyler Doll

Age; 21

Address 86 Gower St London

Occupation : undergraduate at Cambridge Univeristy

Where born : London

Mordaunt Henry Casper Doll 12, b. St Giles London

Susan Kightley, cook

Alice Henderson parlourmaid

1891 Census Class: RG12; Piece: 119; Folio 114; Page 18; GSU roll: 6095229.

Charles F Doll

Age: 40

Address 86 Gower St London

Occupation Architect and surveyor

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851

Relation: Head

Spouse's Name: Emily F Doll, 38, b. India

Gender: Male

Where born: Chelsea

Mordaunt Henry Casper Doll 3, b. St Giles London

Phillip W R Doll 10/12, b. St Giles London

William Alfred Melenge Doll 5, b. St Giles London

Emily Lucas 16, nurse

Emily A Mears 25, cook

Kate E Allen 19, parlour maid

Photo KLR History p1 (Wyrall)

Photo Sphere

Photo Graphic

[Murrough]

Hi Dave, I would be very grateful for a lookup of this man Pte A.Kilkenny MM 5319 Irish Guards.MM was gazetted 28/1/18 and I was hoping it might mention which Batt he was in and the possible action he was awarded the MM for.

Best Regards,

Murrough.

[Jarvis]

Hello, is there a chance of anything on the following 3 DLI chaps ?

Sergeant Major Patrick Finn 250449 / 3846 6th Durham Light Infantry KIA 27/05/1918

Sergeant B Stoddart 2202 6th Durham Light Infantry ?

Sergeant Ralph Jones18/940 18th Durham Light Infantry 1916

Regards. Jarvis.

[pietro]

Hi Dave,

If you've a chance, would you have anything on:

'C' company 13th Royal Irish Rifles:

Victor Law (KIA June 1916)

Sydney Skillen (KIA June 1916)

Albert E Neill (sapper)

TIA,

Peter

[hadham]

Hi Promenade,

Thanks soooo much for all that info, terrific. I am researching all the guys from Hadham who died during ww1 for a booklet and exhibition, to remember them, which needs to be out by this nov'.!!

So very greatfull for that info on the battle when he died.

had most of the info you gve me on his background. but in addition, he was a keen cricketer and is named on the MCC memorial of members at Lords cricket ground.

Also, one of his brothers was stuck in Russia for much of the war but eventually managed to get back to england. there was an article about this in the local newspaper at the time, of which i have a copy but, its at the local museum at the moment, if youd like to know more, let me know and i will get it back and send you the details.

I also have a copy of a photo of PWR Doll, if you are interested, send me your post address and i will send you a copy~ sorry no scanner!!

What is your interest in the Doll's? do you have a family link?

Cheers again,

Richard