bts1970 Posted 22 December , 2007 Share Posted 22 December , 2007 This is a seperate link to save mixing up the other threads i have currently. This one is a mix of info i have & that which Grant has been able to assist me with. If anyone has any extra info that both myself & Grant may find of use please add. So Far confirmed workers Name Paginton George Arthur Number 15230 Rank Pte Batt 7th Reg Royal Dublin Fussilers Dod 16/08/1915 Place Dardanelles Age 28 Job Labourer Shop No 1 Dept Locco / Carr Service 3 Note Kia Dardanelles Nok Son of Louisa Paginton, of 4, Telford Rd., Rodbourne, Swindon, and the late George Paginton. Memorial HELLES MEMORIAL Panel 190 to 196. Name Jefferies, Henry Reginald ( A seperate thread exists concerning this lad ) Number 9846 Rank Pte Batt 1st Reg Wilts Dod 24/10/1914 Position in GWR (Swindon) Labourer Deptment Loco & Carriage Next of Kin Son of A. Edward Jefferies, of New Rd., Purton, Swindon Name Matthews Percy Charles Number 13774 Rank Pte Batt 2nd Reg Wilts Dod 15/06/1915 Age 18 Job Apprentice Boilersmith Shop V Dept Loco/Carr 2 Note Missing Since 15/06/15 pressumed dead Mem LE TOURET MEMORIAL Panel 33 and 34. Name Hunt walter ( A seperate thread exists concerning this lad ) My intrest is Purton alone, Grants intrest covers Swindon Railway works Best Regards Bob lloyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bathe Posted 22 December , 2007 Share Posted 22 December , 2007 Distant relations of mine had connections with the GWR in Wiltshire. My GGGrandfather was born at Wroughton, came to London in c1840 and was a Met Policeman. Of his sons, my GGrandfather served in the army in the 1870s, (five of his sons served during WWI), another son returned to Swindon and worked for GWR as a fitter, and of his sons, certainly Edward Archie Bathe, who served his apprenticeship at Swindon (1905-11) as a Fitter for GWR, joined up in September 1914 as a Private in the Army Ordnance Corps (reg no S/804). He spent 3.5 years in France and another 1.5 years in Italy, then was transfered to Z reserve in 1919 (his "burnt" papers are on Ancestry). He is the only Wiltshire Bathe from my branch of the family I've found with WWI service, although many years ago I remember seeing a G. Bathe on the War Memorial on Swindon station. Hope this is of help Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bts1970 Posted 22 December , 2007 Author Share Posted 22 December , 2007 Peter following on the back of my research into Purton folk listed as dying in the great War i have came across these 3 names who all served in the 116th CEF & survived. Francis P Bathe Herbert J Bathe William S Bathe Further help from the CEF Forum gave me 745918, William Stanley Bathe. 746184, Francis Percy Bathe. 746327, Herbert John Bathe ”are three of only six men surnamed Bathe (a very unusual name) listed in the Canadial Archives as members of the CEF. Given the fact there are only six of that name and three of them are in the same battalion I would say that the degree of probability that they are related must be somwhere near 99.9%. Unfortunatly none of the six mens attestation papers are available on line so if you wish to confirm their relationship to each other you will have to order their service records from the Canadian Archives. I can confirm that all three of them have service numbers consistent with the 116th Bn (Number range alloted 745001 to 748000)” And ”Dug a bit myself and found that your three Bathes were indeed brothers. They were three of five brothers born to Josia and Emily Bathe and according to the 1901 Census resided at No 3 The Fox, in the Ecclesiastical Parish of St Marys, in the Civil Parish of Purton. Looking at an on-line map I see that The Fox still exists today.” And “1) George Edward Bathe; cant find any connection. 2) Harry Escott Bathe: The 1901 Census has a Harry E Bathe born circa 1889, Son of Edward and Mary Bathe residing at 63 William St in the Parish of St Mark, Swindon. He may possibly be related I think you will probably need the service record to confirm that. 3) William H Bathe: This is the most likley relation of the three brothers. William was born circa 1898 at Wroughton to William and Emma Bathe who were also both born at Wroughton, Swindon, Wiltshire, which is also where the three brothers parents Josia and Emily were born as well. Furthur both fathers were Bricklayers by trade. The coincidences in this case are too numerous to ignore. All that having been said there is still no guarantee that the men I have found are the ones listed as being in the CEF, they may be entirely different people with the same name. Again I think you will have to get the service records to confirm wether they are the same men.” It is an unusual name that jumped out straight away & is recorded on the GWR Memorial board. Given the surname & wroughton link i think these could well be further Family connections, unfortunately as yet i havn`t dug any deeper into their Canadian service details , but all 3 did survive it seems. Best Regards Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantowi Posted 22 December , 2007 Share Posted 22 December , 2007 Peter, Is this chap one of yours? Name Bathe William Herbert No G/55130 Rank Pte Batt 4th Reg Royal Fusiliers (City of London) Dod 09/04/1917 Age 19 Job Machineman Dept Loco/Carr Army note Elisted in Grove Park Army note Formally M2/196793 ASC (MT) Army note Kia Nok Son of William and Emma Bathe, of 53, Priors Hill, Wroughton, Swindon. Mem TILLOY BRITISH CEMETERY, TILLOY-LES-MOFFLAINES IV. G. 15. Thanks for the info on Edward, did he rejoin the GWR ? Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantowi Posted 22 December , 2007 Share Posted 22 December , 2007 Bob, How certain are you about the info you have for Albert BUNCE, in regard to him being the one on your memorial ? The reason that I ask is: Name Bunce Arthur Robert No 9942 Rank Pte Batt 5th Reg Duke of Edinburghs (Wiltshire) Dod 10/08/1915 Age 21 Job Machinest Dept Loco/Carr Army note Enlisted in Devizes Nok Son of John Robert and Mary Ann Bunce, of Pavenhill, Purton, Swindon. Mem HELLES MEMORIAL Panel 156 to 158. Sorry if this is a spanner Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bts1970 Posted 22 December , 2007 Author Share Posted 22 December , 2007 Grant My mistake in some ways as i only was aware of one Bunce being a Railways worker !!! Albert died after the War back at work in Swindon A.BUNCE ALBERT BUNCE. Prisoner of war escort, Labour Corp. Who died aged 20 on the 11th April 1919 in Swindon. Son of William & Susannah, Odd time cottage, Pavenhill. Buried in St Mary’s Churchyard, Purton Seems i gave you a misleading link in some ways as i wasn`t aware that A.BUNCE 9942 Private ARTHUR ROBERT BUNCE. 5th Battalion, Wiltshire Regiment. Enlisted in Devizes. Killed in action aged 21 on the 10th August 1915. Son of John Robert and Mary Ann Bunce, of Pavenhill, Arthur has no known grave. Remembered on HELLES MEMORIAL Panel 156 to 158. Was also a GWR employed worker This could be a long discussion thread. E-Mailed the Swindon author yesterday 7 wilkl soon collect a copy of his book which he informs me does include some Purton involvment Best Regards Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantowi Posted 23 December , 2007 Share Posted 23 December , 2007 Bob, Just for your record: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bts1970 Posted 23 December , 2007 Author Share Posted 23 December , 2007 Grant many many thanks again, another face to the collection. I hope that some of these photos will help me to confirm the identities of some of the postcards in the Museum. They have numerous cards with surnames on but no other identifying names etc, hopefully these & regimental identification will assist the confirmation Best Regards my Friend Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantowi Posted 23 December , 2007 Share Posted 23 December , 2007 Bob, As the War progressed, the information that the magazine gives gets less and less, now its getting to be just names :-( There is very little about S Smith, only one I can find is a SR Smith who's a Bolt maker in the Loco/Carr dept. And the only AJ Bridgeman (only 1 e) is: name Bridgeman Arthur J No 22889 Rank Pte Batt 1st Reg Duke of Edinburghs (Wiltshire) Dod 17/06/1917 Job Wagon Painter Note Enlisted in Swindon Note Dow Born Lydiard Millicent, Wilts As Ever Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bts1970 Posted 23 December , 2007 Author Share Posted 23 December , 2007 Grant S Smith on the Purton memorial Full details of the lad are 18065 Private SIDNEY ROWLAND SMITH. 5th Battalion, Wiltshire Regiment. Enlisted in Devizes. Missing in action aged 18 on the 10th August 1915. Son of James and Charlotte Smith, of 3, Cricklade Rd., Sidney has no known grave. Remembered on HELLES MEMORIAL, Panel 156 to 158 I think that the detail is similar to many aspects of the Great War, the sheer scale of casualties meant that there wasn`t enough space to give them all the same column inches Bestr regards Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantowi Posted 3 January , 2008 Share Posted 3 January , 2008 Heres mr WoolFord: Name Woolford Herbert Stanley Number 2880 Rank Private Batt 2nd Reg Royal Munster Fusiliers Note Formerly 12868, Wilts Regt Dod 04/10/1918 Age 23 Position (GWR) Store Issuer Department (GWR) Stores enlisted Enlisted in Swindon How Kia Nok Son Of Alfred and Catherine of Widham Memorial TEMPLEUX-LE-GUERARD BRITISH CEMETERY Panel I. H. 25. Born Purton, Wilts Another one down Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantowi Posted 9 January , 2008 Share Posted 9 January , 2008 Bob, Another onr for your book. Meet Mr A Lewis: Surname Lewis Name Albert Job Number 23613 Rank Private Batt 2nd Reg Duke of Edinburghs (Wiltshire) Dod 21/03/1918 Place F&F Trade (GWR) Packer Shop (GWR) Purton Dept (GWR) Engineering Note Enlisted in Swindon How Kia Memorial POZIERES MEMORIAL Panel 64. Born Purton, Wilts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantowi Posted 9 January , 2008 Share Posted 9 January , 2008 Bob, Unsure on this one Mr A Hawcutt Surmane Hawcutt Name E Number 129118 Rank Gunner Batt 186th Note Clearing Office Reg Royal Garrison Artillery Note Formerly 186th Siege Bty Dod 04/02/1919 Age 27 Trade Porter Shop Purton Dept Engineering Nok Son of Mrs. Mary Ann Hawcutt, of Bruern, Kingham, Oxford Memorial MILTON-UNDER-WYCHWOOD (SS. SIMON AND JUDE) CHURCHYARD Left of entrance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bts1970 Posted 10 January , 2008 Author Share Posted 10 January , 2008 Grant Many thanks for the continued help. Mr Hawcutt certainly wasn`t on the radar upto now, not sure as he is listed on the GWR memorial either, maybe due to his date of death. If he died of his wounds i would of thought he would of been included on the lists being a casualty of the Great war. Anyway another name to add to the effect that the War had on the village, many thanks again mate Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantowi Posted 10 January , 2008 Share Posted 10 January , 2008 Bob, Nice adv er (picture thingy) Thanks for CD, have just started to print them out, looks like he lied about his age to sign up Pt Hawcutt isn't on the GWR list, but I'll go back and check the spellings. Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bts1970 Posted 11 January , 2008 Author Share Posted 11 January , 2008 Grant I only had a brief look at the images as i downloaded them , but yes he seems to have lost some years between joining up & the medical board that released him from service. Obviously not uncommon, i have seen two other similar cases with Purton lads who gave an "apparent" age that was greater than thier given age on thier release. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bts1970 Posted 18 March , 2008 Author Share Posted 18 March , 2008 To those who search be wary of details listed, as we all find out they can be misleading Mr E Hawcutt for instance ( detailed above ) CWGC listing as E Hawcutt MIC Listing as Edard Initial 1901 search listing him as Eron Closer inspection of the origional roll details him as ESAW ( Like his Grandfather ) More meat to my research always good to get another name confirmed Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantowi Posted 19 March , 2008 Share Posted 19 March , 2008 Especially if they worked for the GWR :-) Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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