green_acorn Posted 2 February , 2006 Share Posted 2 February , 2006 I originally posted this in response to a thread at "Other" http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...?showtopic=3240 , but I think it is really more appropriate to continue it here in uniforms, so I hope you don't mind if I also include the text from the first post in Others. cheers, Chris Extracted from a post March 1916 WW1, One Shilling booklet "Badges and their Meaning" A companion to "Rank at a Glance" produced by George Philip and Son Ltd 32 Fleet St London. STAFF AND DEPARTMENTAL CAPS AND GORGET BADGES An Army Oder was issued in March 1916, defining the correct dress as far as it affects Caps and Gorget Patches to be worn by Officers holding General, Administrative, Technical and Departmental Staff, and Miscellaneous Appointments as follows: Any Officer holding any of the appointments in list "A " to wear the Staff forage cap, with peak embroidered or plain according to rank, and with cover of drab material, fitted so as to show the scarlet band, badge and peak (see image). They are also to wear the scarlet cloth gorget patches, with a line of crimson gimp as shown in the latter image. A Appointments at the War Office Asst Adjt General Asst to the Deputy Asst Director Asst Directors Asst Director-General Army Med Svcs Assist Director-General Army Vet Svcs Asst Mil Secretary Asst to chief Inspector of QM-General Svcs Dep-Asst Adjt-General Dep-Asst Director-General Army Med Svcs Dep-Asst Director-General Army vet Svcs Dep-Directors Dep-Director-General Army Vet Svcs Directors General Staff Officers Gd, 1, 2 and 3 Inspector of Army Ordnance Svcs Inspector of Med Svcs Staff Captain Staff LT Sub-Director Outside the war Office and in the Field: ADC asst Adjt and QM General Asst Mil Sec Assist QM Asst to Major-General in charge of Admin BM Colonel Comd an Infantry Bde Dep-Adjt and QM-General Dep-Adjt-General Dep-Asst Adjt and QM-General Dep-Asst Adjt-General Dep-Asst Mil Sec Dep-Asst QM-General Dep QM-General General Staff Officers Inspector of Arty Inspector of Cavalry Inspector of Infantry Inspector of Reserve Units Inspector of RE Inspector of RGA Inspector of RHA and Field Arty Inspector of the Territorial Forces Mil Attaches Mil Sec Staff Captain Staff LT Officers holding appointments that are "graded as" one of the above, and Officers "attached" to the Staff, are not to wear the Staff forage cap and scarlet gorget patches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green_acorn Posted 2 February , 2006 Author Share Posted 2 February , 2006 Officers holding any of the appointments in following list"B" to wear a band of blue cloth round the cap (see later images), together with blue cloth Gorget Patches with a line of crimson giomp. B Appointments at the War Office Chief Paymaster Inspector of Army Pay Offices Munitions of War Asst Director Dep-Asst Director Director Staff Captain Staff LT At Home, at Stations Abroad, and In the Field Admin Comdt Asst Camp Comdt Asst DG Med Svcs Asst dir of Army Signals Asst Dir of Inland Water Tpt Asst Dir of Med Svcs Asst Dir of Ordnance Svcs Asst Dir of Ordnance stores Asst Dir of Postal Svcs Asst Dir of Railways Asst Dir of Railway Tpt Asst Dir of Supplies Asst Dir of Supplies and Tpt Asst Dir of Tpt Asst Dir of Vet Svcs Asst Dir of Works Asst Embarkation Command Asst Embarkation Staff Officer Asst Insp of Remounts Asst Insp of QM-General Svcs Assist Military Landing Officer Asst Provost Marshal Asst to Chief Engr (CE) Base Comdt Camp Comdt CE List B to be continued Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 2 February , 2006 Share Posted 2 February , 2006 Great: keep 'em coming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green_acorn Posted 3 February , 2006 Author Share Posted 3 February , 2006 list B continued At Home, At Stations Abroad, An In The Field Chief Ordnance Officer Comd Paymaster Commandant Base Depot Commandant Lines of Communications Camp QM De-Asst Dir of Inland Water Tpt Dep-Asst Dir of Med Svcs Dep-Asst Dir of Railway Tpt Dep-Asst Dir of Remounts Dep-Asst Dir of Requisition Svcs Dep-Asst Dir of Ordnance Svcs Dep-Asst Dir of Ordnance Stores Dep-Asst Dir of Supplies Dep-Asst Dir of Supplies and Tpt Dept Asst Dir of Tpt Dep-Asst dir of Vet Svcs Dep-Dir of Army Signals Dep-Dir of Inland Water Tpt Dep-Dir of Med Svcs Dep-Dir of Ordnances Svcs Dep-Dir of Postal Svcs Dep-Dir of Railways Construction Dep-Dir of Railways Dep-Dir of Raliways Tpt Dep-Dir of Remounts Dep-Dir of Requisitions Svcs Dep-Dir of Stationery Svcs Dep-Dir of Supplies Dep-Dir of Supplies and Tpt Dep-Dir of Tpt More to follow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green_acorn Posted 3 February , 2006 Author Share Posted 3 February , 2006 Badge and Gorget image from the booklet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green_acorn Posted 3 February , 2006 Author Share Posted 3 February , 2006 Might as well post the main image of the thread now! I shall finish of List B and C tomorrow, cheers, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green_acorn Posted 5 February , 2006 Author Share Posted 5 February , 2006 list B continued At Home, At Stations Abroad, And In the Field Dep-Dir of Vet Svcs Dep-Dir of Works Dep-Judge advocate general Dir of Army Sigs Dir of Inland Water Tpt Dir of Med Svs Dir of Ord Svcs Dir of Postal Svcs Dir of Railways Dir of Railway Tpt Dir of Remounts Dir of Stationery svcs Dir of Supplies Dir of Vet Svcs Dir of Works Embarkation Commandant Embarkation Staff Officer Garrison Adjt Insp of QM General's Svcs Insp of Remounts Military Landing Officer Paymaster-In-Chief Provost Marshal Railway tpt Officer Sanitary Officer Senior Train Conducting Officer Staff Officer Royal Engrs Train Conducting Officer Officers holding any of the appointments iun the following list C to wear a band of green cloth with a line of green gimp. C Asst Dir of Gymnasia Asst Dir of Military Tpt Asst Insp of Recruiting District Barracks Offr Insp of Catering Insp of Gymnasia Officer attached to a Brigade for Musketry Duties Officers attached to the General Staff for Musketry Duties at the Headquarters of Commands and Divisions Officers employed on Recruiting Duties Officers employed under the General Staff on Intelligence Duties at Home Recruiting Staff Officers Staff Officer, Musketry Camp White cap-bands signify that the wearers are members of a Cadet School. The End! Interesting that the Dir of Med Svcs didn't yet have their own gorgets and that the green gorget for Intelligence Officers were described as being on home duty only. It would seem Blue meant you were a specialist officer, no wonder they needed the plethora of armbands and brassards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted 5 February , 2006 Share Posted 5 February , 2006 The other interesting point (although in essence logical) is that the Officers who were non GeneralStaff wore their regimental capbadges. I seem to remember a post about a uniform which appeared to show an officer wearing both regimental and gorgets on the lapels of his tunic. Would this have been authorised for B and C Staffs? Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green_acorn Posted 7 February , 2006 Author Share Posted 7 February , 2006 Greg, I don't believe it would have been authorised. I would note that pre-WW1 the Australians wore unique gorget patches for most corps. In the centre of the patche they wore their small corps or regimental badges and at the end was a small Commonwealth Pattern badge. Like this: cheers, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattgibbs Posted 24 February , 2009 Share Posted 24 February , 2009 Useful info, nice to see it all in one place. Anyone know what the exact terminology is for the line of centre braiding? Its commonly referred to in many places as "gimp" but try doing an online search for gimp, woven, plaited or whatever. Either terminology has changed, or is has another "official" name within the embroidery world, which I know nowt about. Chaplains were authorised to wear the Gorget patch, dependant on rank and appointment, [and still are] for Chaplains to the Forces 2nd Class and above. According to my ever helpful source, the RAChD museum, these were authorised from 1915 and initially were black with a line of black woven silk 'gimp' and a black AChD button. This may have changed to purple with a black "outline" [much like the shoulder straps for chaplains I believe] in 1923 but in 1927 they adopted the all purple ones they still wear now. When I get some photos I will add them to the thread. I am told there is an unissued set in the National Army Museum. ttfn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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