Armoured Farmer Posted 3 January , 2006 Share Posted 3 January , 2006 Dear all, I am currently compiling a database of all South Irish Horse personnel and have over 2,000 names. Anyone willing to share information that they may have on any man from this regiment would be greatfully appreciated. Thanks in anticipation. Armoured Farmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Marshall Posted 3 January , 2006 Share Posted 3 January , 2006 (edited) Hi Armoured Farmer Only one from my files so far but a good one (well I think so considering he was the only one listed from Gravesend and the surrounding villages who went into the South Irish Horse, unless you know better) Grant, William • Private 5402, 7th Battalion, 16th Irish Division, 49th Brigade (South Irish Horse) Royal Irish Regiment • Born Shorne, resident of Shorne • Enlisted Gravesend originally as Private 4011, Royal West Kent Regiment • Killed in action, ‘France’ Monday 25 March 1918, aged 27 • Military Medal • Eldest son of William J and Fanny Grant, Shorne House, Shorne • Panels 30/31 Pozieres War Memorial, Somme, France (no known grave) • 7th (South Irish Horse) Battalion, Territorial Force, Royal Irish Regiment, 49th Brigade, 16th (Irish) Division, the 16th Division were transferred from the VII Corps to XIX Corps on 25th March, Fifth Army • The First Battles of the Somme, 1918 (21st March – 5th April, 1918) • Actions at the Somme Crossings, 24th – 25th March, 1918 • William Grant is the only casualty from this Battalion listed on this day Regards Andrew Below is a photograph of him. Edited 3 January , 2006 by Andrew Marshall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Marshall Posted 3 January , 2006 Share Posted 3 January , 2006 Additional information • Born Shorne, 24 March 1891 • Attended Shorne school (admission number 977, 30 June 1895) • Resident of Shorne (‘Smith Street’ in 1895, Hope Cottage in 1901) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciaran Byrne Posted 3 January , 2006 Share Posted 3 January , 2006 Can you confirm that the South Irish Horse were stationed with 3rd Cavalry Brigade prior to WWI. I have only seen this ever mentioned once and was wondering if it was incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carninyj Posted 3 January , 2006 Share Posted 3 January , 2006 This may be of interest: CAMERON, David, 25101, Private, 7 Royal Irish Regiment (formerly 3151 South Irish Horse). Died of wounds December 17, 1917. Buried Tincourt New British Cemetery, Somme. Aged 26, eldest son of Wm. and Margaret Cameron, Cardonaghy, Galgorm. Enlisted Antrim, Commorated on tablet in 1st Ahoghill Pres. Church. Regards Carninyj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armoured Farmer Posted 4 January , 2006 Author Share Posted 4 January , 2006 Can you confirm that the South Irish Horse were stationed with 3rd Cavalry Brigade prior to WWI. I have only seen this ever mentioned once and was wondering if it was incorrect. Ciaran, I have one reference to the 3rd cavalry Brigade: - " "BRITISH REGIMENTS 1914-1918" by Brigadier E.A. James Naval and Military Press. 5th Edition April 1998. Part I, page 15 SOUTH IRISH HORSE ‘France and Flanders, 1915-18’ 4.8.14 Dublin: attached to 3rd Cavalry Brigade. On mobilisation the regiment was split up and the squadrons were employed mainly as divisional cavalry until 1916. After this as corps cavalry and after September 1917 as infantry. Three new squadrons were formed..." The remainder of the entry is here on our website: - http://southirishhorse.com/documents/history.htm Thanks for the question. Regards Armoured Farmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armoured Farmer Posted 4 January , 2006 Author Share Posted 4 January , 2006 This may be of interest: CAMERON, David, 25101, Private, 7 Royal Irish Regiment (formerly 3151 South Irish Horse). Died of wounds December 17, 1917. Buried Tincourt New British Cemetery, Somme. Aged 26, eldest son of Wm. and Margaret Cameron, Cardonaghy, Galgorm. Enlisted Antrim, Commorated on tablet in 1st Ahoghill Pres. Church. Regards Carninyj Dear Carninyj, Thank you. As you may have guessed, we already had him. The dead are relatively well recorded. We believe him to be one of about 850 or so men dimounted from the two South irish Horse regiments in France and transferred to the Royal Irish Regiment to form a new battalion, the 7th (South Irish Horse), Royal irish Regiment. See the following: - http://southirishhorse.com/documents/history.htm Thanks again. Armoured Farmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armoured Farmer Posted 4 January , 2006 Author Share Posted 4 January , 2006 Hi Armoured Farmer Only one from my files so far but a good one (well I think so considering he was the only one listed from Gravesend and the surrounding villages who went into the South Irish Horse, unless you know better) Grant, William • Private 5402, 7th Battalion, 16th Irish Division, 49th Brigade (South Irish Horse) Royal Irish Regiment • Born Shorne, resident of Shorne • Enlisted Gravesend originally as Private 4011, Royal West Kent Regiment • Killed in action, ‘France’ Monday 25 March 1918, aged 27 • Military Medal • Eldest son of William J and Fanny Grant, Shorne House, Shorne • Panels 30/31 Pozieres War Memorial, Somme, France (no known grave) • 7th (South Irish Horse) Battalion, Territorial Force, Royal Irish Regiment, 49th Brigade, 16th (Irish) Division, the 16th Division were transferred from the VII Corps to XIX Corps on 25th March, Fifth Army • The First Battles of the Somme, 1918 (21st March – 5th April, 1918) • Actions at the Somme Crossings, 24th – 25th March, 1918 • William Grant is the only casualty from this Battalion listed on this day Regards Andrew Below is a photograph of him. Dear Andrew, Thank you for that. I am not recording men who served in the 7th (SIH) Bn, Royal Irish Regiment unless they had previously served in the South Irish Horse. Technically an argument could be made either way, but had to draw a line at some point. We believe that about 850 South Irish Horse men and 30 or so Officers were transferred to the Royal Irish Regiment in September 1917. William Grant appears to have been transferred from the Royal West Kents into the Royal Irish Regiment at some time before February 1918 (Irish Regiments being short of "Irish" manpower as there was no conscription in Ireland). I would guess that he served for a period with the 6th Bn, R Ir Regt. In February 1918 this battlion was dibanded and 312 men were transferred to the 7th bn, which just shows the attrition in an infantry battalion just "line-holding" in the winter of 1917/1918. These are only guesses. A brief history of the SIH is here: - http://southirishhorse.com/documents/history.htm Thank you again. Regards Armoured Farmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carninyj Posted 4 January , 2006 Share Posted 4 January , 2006 Armoured Farmer, Thanks for the website reference. Much appreciated. Regards Carninyj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciaran Byrne Posted 5 January , 2006 Share Posted 5 January , 2006 (edited) Ciaran, I have one reference to the 3rd cavalry Brigade: - " "BRITISH REGIMENTS 1914-1918" by Brigadier E.A. James Naval and Military Press. 5th Edition April 1998. Part I, page 15 SOUTH IRISH HORSE ‘France and Flanders, 1915-18’ 4.8.14 Dublin: attached to 3rd Cavalry Brigade. On mobilisation the regiment was split up and the squadrons were employed mainly as divisional cavalry until 1916. After this as corps cavalry and after September 1917 as infantry. Three new squadrons were formed..." The remainder of the entry is here on our website: - http://southirishhorse.com/documents/history.htm Thanks for the question. Regards Armoured Farmer Thanks for the reply! The book you mention is where I saw this information too, although it is the only source I have seen that states that the SIH were attached to 3rd Cavalry Brigade. Edited 5 January , 2006 by Ciaran Byrne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armoured Farmer Posted 7 January , 2006 Author Share Posted 7 January , 2006 Ciaran, From what little I know, I think that the Regiment was administered by 3rd Cav Bde because that was the Cavalry Brigade in Ireland. How much, if any involvement their officers had with the Curragh Munity I do not know. Gough, the Brigade commander was sacked, but reinstated when the war started. Regards Farmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciaran Byrne Posted 7 January , 2006 Share Posted 7 January , 2006 They were not involved in the Curragh Incident, that was the three regiments of 3rd Cavalry Brigade (4H, 5L and 16L) as well as some officers from RHA and Royal Signals. Do you have any idea which barracks they were based at or in which area? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armoured Farmer Posted 7 January , 2006 Author Share Posted 7 January , 2006 The headquarters was listed as Beggars Bush Barracks in Dublin. The 3 squadrons may have had a regional basis, but this is only a guess on my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Devitt Posted 7 January , 2006 Share Posted 7 January , 2006 Hi there, According to Harris, "The new Southern Irish regiment had its headquarters at Artillery Barracks, Limerick, and the distribution of the squadrons as follows: A squadron. Beggars Bush Barracks, Dublin B squadron. Artillery Barracks, Limerick. C squadron. Glen House, Ballyvolane, Cork. d squadron. Beggars Bush Barracks, Dublin. Hope this is useful, Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armoured Farmer Posted 7 January , 2006 Author Share Posted 7 January , 2006 Ken, Thanks for that. The reference quoted is for 1902/1903. By 1914 there were 3 Sabre Squadrons, A, B and C. The first Squadron overseas was referred to by the Regiment as "S" or Service Squadron, but was called B by the rest of the Army, as it accompanied A and C Squadrons of the North Irish Horse. Regards Armmoured Farmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckop4 Posted 2 April , 2007 Share Posted 2 April , 2007 A recruiting ad for the South Irish Horse from the 'Cork Examiner' newspaper, 13th January, 1915. Riverstown House, Glanmire is just east of Cork city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armoured Farmer Posted 2 April , 2007 Author Share Posted 2 April , 2007 jpc, Thanks very much for this! The poster seems to have worked, we have one Christopher Cornelius Dorgan who enlisted at Riverstown House Co Cork on 14th January, 1915. One of 8 men whom we know enlisted there. Best Regards Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Blonde Posted 2 April , 2007 Share Posted 2 April , 2007 Hallo carninyj If its of interest, I have a South Irish Horse Cap-badge on which the slider is stamped with the name: P. FLYNN. Sorry I cant be of more help Connaught Stranger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armoured Farmer Posted 2 April , 2007 Author Share Posted 2 April , 2007 Hello Connaught, Is there any chance that you could post a picture of the badge? I do know what it looks like and have a few examples, but there are subtle variations in the styles. Thanks, Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckop4 Posted 3 April , 2007 Share Posted 3 April , 2007 Hugh, Heres a little list I compiled of some Corkmen in the SIH, taken from various Rolls of Honour in the Cork Examiner of the time:- ALLISON, J. H., SOUTH IRISH HORSE List of Cork Volunteer Training Corps Volunteers, April 1915. DALTON, F., SOUTH IRISH HORSE List of Cork Volunteer Training Corps Volunteers, April 1915. DALTON, RICHARD, SOUTH IRISH HORSE List of Cork Volunteer Training Corps Volunteers, April 1915. DALY, J., SOUTH IRISH HORSE List of Cork City Regt., Irish National Volunteers, who have volunteered, March 1915. FINNEGAN, W. A. W., SOUTH IRISH HORSE List of Cork Volunteer Training Corps Volunteers, April 1915. HICKEY, PATRICK, SOUTH IRISH HORSE, Mallow Men awarded certificates of Honour from Mallow Rural Council, Feb 1916. HOURIGAN, J., SOUTH IRISH HORSE List of Cork Tramway Co. employees at the front, January 1915. LANE, JEREMIAH, SOUTH IRISH HORSE, Mallow Men awarded certificates of Honour from Mallow Rural Council, Feb 1916. LUDGATE, JOSEPH J., SOUTH IRISH HORSE, Mallow Men awarded certificates of Honour from Mallow Rural Council, Feb 1916. MANNING, G., SOUTH IRISH HORSE List of Cork Volunteer Training Corps Volunteers, April 1915. MORRIS, C., SOUTH IRISH HORSE List of Cork Volunteer Training Corps Volunteers, April 1915. MORRIS, W. V., SOUTH IRISH HORSE List of Cork Volunteer Training Corps Volunteers, April 1915. ROYCROFT, S., SOUTH IRISH HORSE List of Cork Volunteer Training Corps Volunteers, April 1915. SULLIVAN, MICHAEL, SOUTH IRISH HORSE, Mallow Men awarded certificates of Honour from Mallow Rural Council, Feb 1916. SULLIVAN, P., SOUTH IRISH HORSE List of Cork City Regt., Irish National Volunteers, who have volunteered March 1915. Jean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Blonde Posted 3 April , 2007 Share Posted 3 April , 2007 Hello Connaught, Is there any chance that you could post a picture of the badge? I do know what it looks like and have a few examples, but there are subtle variations in the styles. Thanks, Hugh Hallo Hugh, pictures of my badge: Front. Connaught Stranger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Blonde Posted 3 April , 2007 Share Posted 3 April , 2007 The Rear: The badge measures 31mm by 26mm, not including the bottom of the slider. With the slider 41mm by 42mm. Connaught Stranger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armoured Farmer Posted 3 April , 2007 Author Share Posted 3 April , 2007 Hugh, Heres a little list I compiled of some Corkmen in the SIH, taken from various Rolls of Honour in the Cork Examiner of the time:- ALLISON, J. H., SOUTH IRISH HORSE List of Cork Volunteer Training Corps Volunteers, April 1915. ......... Jean Jean, Thanks very much for this. Can I ask if you have images of the rolls that you could send me? Thanks again. Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armoured Farmer Posted 3 April , 2007 Author Share Posted 3 April , 2007 Dear Stranger, Thanks for the images. Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckop4 Posted 3 April , 2007 Share Posted 3 April , 2007 quote name='Armoured Farmer' date='Apr 3 2007, 10:34 AM' post='657615'] Jean, Thanks very much for this. Can I ask if you have images of the rolls that you could send me? Thanks again. Hugh Sorry Hugh, no images with those names but I have 6 other names, with images (and one maybe), that I'll post, all from the 'Cork Examiner,' (CE). (CE 20/3/1915) – MASTER MICHAEL FITZGIBBON, son of Mr. Daniel Fitzgibbon, South Main Street, Youghal, Co. Cork, (victualler), who has joined the South Irish Horse. (CE 20/5/1915) - (2) - CORPORAL T. E. FLYNN, South Irish Horse, nephew of Mr. J. C. Flynn, late MP. He volunteered for foreign service at the outbreak of the war. He is now in France. Jean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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