trajan Posted 26 March , 2015 Share Posted 26 March , 2015 Well I know that I have at least one of them.! See THIS thread (post #11) the only reason I bought such a roughy was because they are a bit scarce.! That is the advantage of collecting information, when you see something you have an edge because you know more about it than others might. If you want to know about the years of manufacture, you just need to look on the ricasso and translate those Arabic numbers - easy enough to do ... PS. Try this http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=222253&page=1 Cheers, S>S So hope for the find of a Coppel over here yet! I think I did see one once a year or so back, but it was really in a terrible condition, with new grips, Tugrha ground-off, ricasso markings unclear, etc., and simply not worth the price being asked... Prices can go a bit weird over here: some guy has been trying to sell an 1890 with scabbard and frog, admittedly in excellent condition, for the local equivalent of USD 1,000 - at the exchange rate 2 months back, and over that now. Another guy has been trying to sell a WW2 spikey for USD 160, while a third offered me a Gras (and is now offering it on-line) for a cool USD 3,000... But anyway, back OT, and so to manufacture dates... In converting the years are you using the AH or the Rumi system? Trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jscott Posted 26 March , 2015 Share Posted 26 March , 2015 Wow. A gras for US3,000. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 5 April , 2015 Share Posted 5 April , 2015 The Easter bunny was smiling at me today... Finally I have the complete set of the 1887 maker's, as a Coppel came my way at the Antika Pazar this morning - and as a bonus, it came with a scabbard! It is not in the best of condition as somebody attempted a bit of mechanical rust removal... But, still, nice to have all five makers at long last! So, baklava on the counter with Efes is anybody wants some (couldn't find any Ankara Malt whisky, I'm afraid - a rare commodity here as most of it is exported)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyH Posted 5 April , 2015 Share Posted 5 April , 2015 Trajan, Well done, will join you in an Efes! Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 5 April , 2015 Share Posted 5 April , 2015 and Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawdoc34 Posted 6 April , 2015 Share Posted 6 April , 2015 You lucky b####r, hardly ever see M1887s over here, I have only managed to find 2 both sans scabbard & 1 of them is a well used/abused example apparently used by telegraphers. Nice find mate Aleck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 6 April , 2015 Share Posted 6 April , 2015 Tx Aleck - and you know that if I could get one over to you I most certainly would! Now, when are you going to show that nice sexy Ersatzy thing of yours as a bit of bayonet porn? And I'd love to hear your opinion of how the thing was put together... Trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 16 April , 2015 Share Posted 16 April , 2015 Those 1887's are jumping out of the woodwork now - even with scabbards.... This one just posted on a certain internet site over here... BTW, I wanted to refer back to a clearer photograph of this marking that was on an earlier post but many seem to have gorne missing - at least from the first three pages, although some are still there. Has there been a virus attack? Or is there a "use-by" date for images on GWF? This thread was only opened in March 2011... As it is I have downloaded many and perhaps all of the ones that were posted on those pages for a parallel but more 'user-friendly' version of this thread (i.e., all Weyersburg in one post, etc.) that I started, as it seemed to me that the original was getting a tad unwieldy - and as SS, progenitor of this original version, never objected to that idea then I assumed he agreed with me on it (and after all, imitation is the greatest form of flattery, you know! ). But this thread has helped so many that it would be sad if they have all gone forever from what is the editio princeps (the 'primary source' for non-Latinists!). Trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jscott Posted 16 April , 2015 Share Posted 16 April , 2015 Nice find Trajan, congrats! I'd love to join you for an Efes, but they are a little thin on the ground over here in Australia. Cheers, J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 16 April , 2015 Share Posted 16 April , 2015 Nice find Trajan, congrats! I'd love to join you for an Efes, but they are a little thin on the ground over here in Australia. Cheers, J Tx! Have a word with SS though about finding them - he can sniff them out for you! I haven't quite decided whether to buy this one though... A duplicate would always be handy but my existing example has a better blade - but no scabbard IIRC! Trajan PS: I always thought Efes was obtainable in Sydney? Bound to be some Turkish bars/restaurants there! Many of the English-speaking tellers at my local bank are all from down under! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jscott Posted 16 April , 2015 Share Posted 16 April , 2015 Ah I'm sure it is available here, but I'm a big one for drinking the local brew. Efes probably tastes so good when I'm in Turkey because I don't have it anywhere else. (and because Eric at the Gallipoli Houses seems to have an uncanny ability to bring beer within a split-degree of its freezing temperature before serving, which is always welcome after a day traipsing around Gallipoli!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 16 April , 2015 Share Posted 16 April , 2015 Those 1887's are jumping out of the woodwork now - even with scabbards.... This one just posted on a certain internet site over here... Forgot to say, this is a Weyersburg one - SS reckoned some time back (post 91) that they were the most commonly found maker of 1903's, but I don't think he commented on the frequency of WS&C among 1897's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 16 April , 2015 Share Posted 16 April , 2015 Thanks for that contribution Trajan, I appreciate your persistance. With your help I have now accumulated the markings data from 100 of these bayonets.! Hi SS, I knew you had a big data base - but had forgotten it was that big! Any chance of a comment on the frequency of WS&C markings on these 1887's? I have noted above your remarks on 1903's... It would be appreciated by all of us if you'd give your opinion on the 1887's! TTFN, Trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 17 April , 2015 Share Posted 17 April , 2015 Thanks for that information TonyE. Its very interesting to get confirmation from the different perspectives, and it all helps to complete the picture. That script on the cartridge headstamp also correlates with the script on the receivers of the Turkish Mauser rifles supplied with these contracts. You can see it matches with the section I have underlined in blue. I believe that inscription reads from the right as Waffenfabrik Mauser Arms Factory. Thanks again for chiming in Tony. (Also see post #22, your information supports what I uncovered there - which took me many hours.!) Cheers, S>S Hi SS, I am concerned about the way many photographs on this thread have gorn - including this one which I wanted to refer back to as an excellent example of the marking system as you had it so neatly outlined in colour... I used it only the other week - with credit back to you of course - but what is happening here? Fortunately the re-posted version will be around (I hope!), so it can be found... Trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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