Hans Molier Posted 9 September , 2010 Share Posted 9 September , 2010 Dear members, Are there any Shot at Dawn soldiers buried somewhere in the Somme, and than especially between Guillemont and Serre ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 9 September , 2010 Share Posted 9 September , 2010 Dear members, Are there any Shot at Dawn soldiers buried somewhere in the Somme, and than especially between Guillemont and Serre ? The Somme is a very big place. For example there is a Shot at Dawn burial in Le Crotoy on the coast. That is the Somme. I would have thought it unlikely there were SAD burials in the front line areas as most were taken to the back areas for trial and execution. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterhogg Posted 9 September , 2010 Share Posted 9 September , 2010 Isn't there a s. a. d. buried at sucrerie cemetery? name escapes me but wasn't he of the same surname as the author of a brass hat in no man's land? pretty close to the front line i gather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterhogg Posted 9 September , 2010 Share Posted 9 September , 2010 Just remembered! Crozier was the name. reckon he died a little closer to the front than he'd wanted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinBattle Posted 9 September , 2010 Share Posted 9 September , 2010 Any chance you guys could reduce the size of your interests section? a one line answer takes up a huge amount of space, thanks to all that blurb!! Now we know, can you edit your settings to a more reasonable amount? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 9 September , 2010 Share Posted 9 September , 2010 Any chance you guys could reduce the size of your interests section? a one line answer takes up a huge amount of space, thanks to all that blurb!! Now we know, can you edit your settings to a more reasonable amount? Maybe you should reverse the software change that recently stated to show the interests? Seemd pointless to me. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 9 September , 2010 Admin Share Posted 9 September , 2010 Putkowski and Sykes book should give the locations of the burials............. Michelle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce Posted 9 September , 2010 Share Posted 9 September , 2010 James Crozier was an under-age soldier, whose Mother wrote to their namesake in command. The reply assured her that her son would be looked after. However, James was convicted at FGCM, and the death sentence confirmed by Haig, after agreement by Crozier. Young James was shot at Mailly Maillet, and is buried in the Sucrerie cemetery. Is there a SAD closer to the lines than that? Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianw Posted 9 September , 2010 Share Posted 9 September , 2010 Quite agree that displaying the interest section and thereby inflating short postings to a ridiculous size is just silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Lynott Posted 9 September , 2010 Share Posted 9 September , 2010 Hans, the following S.A.D burials/commerations are roughly between Serre and Guilmont Carnoy Military Cemetery E W Harris and R Murray Norfolk Cemetery J Jennings and G Lewis Sucrerie Military Cemetery J Crozier Thiepval Memorial H T Farr, C W F Skilton and P Cairnie Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesley Wright Posted 9 September , 2010 Share Posted 9 September , 2010 CASSIDY, JAMESInitials:JNationality:United KingdomRank:PrivateRegiment/Service:Royal Inniskilling FusiliersUnit Text:1st Bn.Date of Death:23/07/1916Service No:12396Casualty Type:Commonwealth War DeadGrave/Memorial Reference:D. 5.Cemetery:ENGLEBELMER COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSIONThis is one of the "shot at dawn" men --close to front line. Wesley Wright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy mcclimonds Posted 9 September , 2010 Share Posted 9 September , 2010 Hans Rifleman James Templeton 15/890 & Rifleman John McCracken 15/1324, both 15th Battalion, Royal Irish Rifles, shot at dawn 19th March 1916, both buried in Mailley-Maillet Communal Cemetery Extension. Regards, Tommy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1690philip Posted 9 September , 2010 Share Posted 9 September , 2010 Not forgetting Pte Sweeney in Dartmoor.. Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auchonvillerssomme Posted 10 September , 2010 Share Posted 10 September , 2010 Depends on how you define the 'between' for example Dartmoor, Norfolk and Carnoy aren't between Guillemont and Serre and depending on how you draw the line neither are Sucrerie or Mailley-Maillet. I think the question needs to be more specific. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_wilkin Posted 10 September , 2010 Share Posted 10 September , 2010 Is there something special on the grave to notice the fact that they were shot ? I would imagine that it isn't the case but you never know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce Posted 10 September , 2010 Share Posted 10 September , 2010 So far as I am aware, there is no marking on the headtsone to mark the fact that the man was SAD, with one exception, where his Father added the information as an inscription at the bottom. Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Molier Posted 12 September , 2010 Author Share Posted 12 September , 2010 Dear members, thank you alle very much for the usefull information ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Molier Posted 12 September , 2010 Author Share Posted 12 September , 2010 Dear members, I'm looking for more information about Shot at Dawn soldiers J. Jennings and G. Lewis of the 2nd Bn. South Lancashire Regiment. I know they are both buried at Norfolk Cemetery, and were executed for desertion on 26th July, 1916. But what really happened, and were they really executed for desertion ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EAST YORKSHIRE Posted 14 September , 2010 Share Posted 14 September , 2010 Hello Hans, another poor lad who was s.a.d is buried in Bertrancourt military cemetary on the Somme, think his name is Anstead, all the best, Ian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auchonvillerssomme Posted 15 September , 2010 Share Posted 15 September , 2010 There are 4 deserters buried in Bertrancourt Military Cemetery L/11710 Pte A.T Anstead 4th Bn R.Fus 27555 Pte J Taylor 15th Bn L.Fus 12384 Pte A Reid 16th Bn HLI 251482 Rfn W Murphy 1st/5th Bn R. Scots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auchonvillerssomme Posted 15 September , 2010 Share Posted 15 September , 2010 Dear members, I'm looking for more information about Shot at Dawn soldiers J. Jennings and G. Lewis of the 2nd Bn. South Lancashire Regiment. I know they are both buried at Norfolk Cemetery, and were executed for desertion on 26th July, 1916. But what really happened, and were they really executed for desertion ? These 2 men deserted in the UK on or around 25/10/1915 whilst travelling with a draft of men to join 2nd Bn S. Lancs. They were arrested by police in London on 18th May 1916 and sent to their Bn who were based on the Somme. The Court martial was held on 20/06/1916 and they were executed on 26/06/1916. I can send you the excerpts from Shot at dawn if you would like. There is no reason to beleive they weren't executed for desertion. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Molier Posted 26 September , 2010 Author Share Posted 26 September , 2010 Again many thanks for all the information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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