glennr Posted 13 August , 2009 Share Posted 13 August , 2009 Hi, I am searching for the names and rank of various commanding officers who lead their companies and battalions in to action at Messines in June 1917. I would appreciate any contributions to this (and preferably the source of the information) for any of the following; 32nd BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Thomas Herbert Francis Price 6th Yorkshires (Green Howards) 6th Yorks & Lancasters 8th Duke of Wellingtons 9th West Yorkshires 34th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Stanhope Humphrey Pedley (to 22 Aug) 5th Dorsets 8th Northumberland Fusiliers 9th Lancashire Fusiliers 11th Manchesters PIONEERS: 6th East Yorkshires 47th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General George Edward Pereira 1st Royal Munster Fusiliers 6th Royal Irish Regiment: CO, Major Charles Taylor (not sure if CO of 6th Bn or A Coy of 6th Bn) 6th Connaught Rangers 7th Leinsters 48th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Frank William Ramsay 1st Royal Munster Fusiliers 7th Royal Irish Rifles 8th Royal Dublin Fusiliers 9th Royal Dublin Fusiliers 49th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Philip Leveson-Gower 7th Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers 7th Royal Irish Fusiliers 8th Royal Irish Fusiliers 8th Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers: CO, Lieut. Col. Thomas Henry Boardman, D.S.O., Died of Wounds 5 August 1917 PIONEERS: 11th Hampshires 56th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Ernest Craig-Brown (to 5 Sept) 7th King’s Own 7th East Lancashires 7th South Lancashires 7th Loyal North Lancashires 57th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Thomas Astley Cubitt 8th Gloucestershires 8th North Staffordshires 10th Worcesters 10th Royal Warwickshires 58th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Alfred Edgar Glasgow 6th Wiltshires (Wilts Yeomanry from 3 Sept) 9th Cheshires 9th Royal Welsh Fusiliers: CO, Lt. Col. Lovel Francis Smeathman, M.C. 9th Welsh PIONEERS: 5th South Wales Borderers 108th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Charles Richard Jebb Griffith 9th (County Armagh, Monaghan & Cavan) Royal Irish Fusiliers 11th (South Antrim Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles 12th (Central Antrim Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles 13th (1st County Down Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles 109th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Ambrose St Quintin Ricardo 9th (County Tyrone Volunteers) Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers 10th (County Derry Volunteers) Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers 11th (Donegal & Fermanagh Vols) Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers 14th (Belfast Young Citizens) Royal Irish Rifles PIONEERS: 16th (2nd County Down Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles 68th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General George Northcote Colville (to 27 Sept), (was wounded on 30 May 1917) 10th Northumberland Fusiliers commanded by Lieut.Col. Lord Robert Manners 11th Northumberland Fusiliers 12th Durham Light Infantry 13th Durham Light Infantry 69th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Thomas Stanton Lambert 8th Yorkshires (Green Howards) commanded by Lieut.Col. Western 9th Yorkshires (Green Howards) 10th Duke of Wellingtons 11th West Yorkshires 70th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Herbert Gordon 8th York & Lancasters 8th Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry (KOYLI) 9th York & Lancasters commanded by Lieut.Col. John Hutton Bowes-Wilson (killed in action 7 June 1917) 11th Sherwood Foresters PIONEERS: 9th South Staffordshires 17th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Percy Vere Powys Stone 1st Royal Fusiliers 3rd Rifle Brigade 8th Buffs 12th Royal Fusiliers 72nd BRIGADE: Brigadier-General William Frederick Sweny 1st North Staffordshires 8th Royal West Kents 8th Queens 9th East Surreys 73rd BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Winston Joseph Dugan 2nd Leinsters 7th Northamptons 9th Royal Sussex 13th Middlesex PIONEERS: 12th Sherwood Foresters 122nd BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Francis William Towsey 11th (Lewisham) Royal West Kent Regiment 12th (Bermondsey) East Surreys 15th (2nd Portsmouth Pals) Hampshires 18th (Arts & Craftsmen) King’s Royal Rifle Corps (KRRC) 140th (4th LONDON) BRIGADE: Brigadier General Henry Percy Brewster Lion Kennedy 1/6 (City of London) London Regiment 1/7 (City of London) London Regiment 1/8 (Post Office Rifles) London Regiment 1/15 (Civil Service Rifles) London Regiment 141st (5th LONDON) BRIGADE: Brigadier General Robert McDougall (or is it McDouall?) 1/17 Bn London Regiment (Poplar & Stepney Rifles) 1/18 Bn London Regiment (London Irish Rifles) 1/19 Bn London Regiment (St Pancras) 1/20 Bn London Regiment (Blackheath & Woolwich) 142nd (6th LONDON) BRIGADE: Brigadier General Vivian Telford Bailey 1/21 Bn London Regiment (1st Surrey Rifles) 1/22 Bn London Regiment (The Queen’s) 1/23 Bn London Regiment (The Queen’s) 1/24 Bn London Regiment (The Queen’s) PIONEERS: 1/4 Bn Royal Welsh Fusiliers 7th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Cranley Charlton Onslow 1st Bn Wiltshire Regiment 8th Bn Loyal North Lancashires 74th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Hugh Keppel Bethell (‘Beetle’) 2nd Royal Irish Rifles 9th Bn Loyal North Lancashires 11th Bn Lancashire Fusiliers 13th Bn Cheshire Regiment 75th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Harry Beauchamp Douglas Baird 2nd South Lancashires 8th Border Regiment 8th South Lancashires 11th Bn Cheshire Regiment PIONEERS: 6th South Wales Borderers Many thanks Glennr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhifle Posted 14 August , 2009 Share Posted 14 August , 2009 Hi, For the 6th Battalion The Connaught Ranger Lieut Colonel J S M Lenox Conyngham was in command and Major G F Brooke was 2nd in command. Major G F Brooke was in Temporary Command during May 1916, while Lieut Colonel J S M Lenox Conyngham was on leave in May 1916. Capatin I H Garvey was in command of 'A' Company and Major R J A Tamplin of 'D' Company. Regards Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Hone Posted 14 August , 2009 Share Posted 14 August , 2009 If you need it, I have a lot of info on Lt. Colonel Boardman, who was the most senior old boy of Bury Grammar School, Lancashire to die in the First World War. As a boy he was a founder member of the school's Cadet Corps in 1892 (and which is still going strong) and then helped found, and subsequently command, the Cadet Corps at Christ's Hospital School, Horsham, where he was a teacher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desmond7 Posted 14 August , 2009 Share Posted 14 August , 2009 Sorry Mhifle - Lenox Conyngham bought it in September 1916 taking the Connaughts into action on the Somme. Rowland Feilding was C/O 6 Con. Rangers at Messines. http://www.freewebs.com/denbob/ulsterdivmessines.htm Above link may prove useful for Ulster Div involvement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larney Posted 14 August , 2009 Share Posted 14 August , 2009 Hi Glenn, According to the History of the Welsh Regiment, by T. O. Marden, Major John Angel Gibbs, D.S.O. (2i/c) shared the command of 9th Welsh with a Lieutenant-Colonel Godfrey (The new monthly rotational system was in place). Gibbs was in command for the 9th Welsh's next engagement at the Menin Road (where he was killed), but the CO for Messines isn't named, so which of these two led the battalion then I'm not sure. I'll keep nosing though, to see if I can find out! Cheers, Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koyli Posted 14 August , 2009 Share Posted 14 August , 2009 Hello Glenn, 7th Leinsters Lt Col G A McLEAN BUCLEY 7th East lancs Lt Col H L JONES. Regards Lawry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRONNO Posted 14 August , 2009 Share Posted 14 August , 2009 Hi Glenn, According to the History of the Welsh Regiment, by T. O. Marden, Major John Angel Gibbs, D.S.O. (2i/c) shared the command of 9th Welsh with a Lieutenant-Colonel Godfrey (The new monthly rotational system was in place). Gibbs was in command for the 9th Welsh's next engagement at the Menin Road (where he was killed), but the CO for Messines isn't named, so which of these two led the battalion then I'm not sure. I'll keep nosing though, to see if I can find out! Cheers, Steve. GLENNR, Some information on the Foresters. 11th Battalion Sherwood Foresters Major A.B.WAYTE was in command of the Battalion owing to the absence of Lieutenant Colonel WATSON being in hospital. Colonel H.F.WATSON rejoined the Battalion on the 7th in the transort lines but did not go up to the trenches. Source Battalion War Diary. 12th Battalion Sherwood Foresters Lt/Col F.C. Roberts M.C. Commanded from March 1917 to May 1918. Source Regimental History. BRONNO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhifle Posted 14 August , 2009 Share Posted 14 August , 2009 Sorry Mhifle - Lenox Conyngham bought it in September 1916 taking the Connaughts into action on the Somme. Rowland Feilding was C/O 6 Con. Rangers at Messines. http://www.freewebs.com/denbob/ulsterdivmessines.htm Above link may prove useful for Ulster Div involvement Hi, Yes you are are quite correct it was Lieutenant Colonel R C Feilding DSO. Major H F N Jourdain CMG, was second in command until 28 June when he took command of the 16th Bn Royal Welch Fusiliers. I was looking at June 1916 for some unkown reason when I should have been looking at June 1917! Regards Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Wilson Posted 14 August , 2009 Share Posted 14 August , 2009 12th Royal Fusiliers was commanded by Lieut-Colonel H.W.Compton, he was wounded when a shell fell close to Bn HQ in Oosttaverne Wood, near the Wambeke Road at 9.45pm on the 9 June, 1917.* At 10pm Captain L. Ventres assumed command of the Bn pending the arrival of Major E.L.Neynoe - see page 178 of The Royal Fusiliers in the Great War by H.C.O'Neill. OBE. The 12th Bn War Diary confirms that Lieut-Colonel Compton died of wounds on the 9 July at No.20 General Hospital, Camiers. * The shell caught Lieut-Colonel H.W. Compton, Captain G.M.Gordon, Captain J.V.Wilson and Captain C.A. Whittingham RAMC. Gordon and Whittingham died at midnight and Compton lingered till July 7th when he too succumbed. Captain Wilson survived he was my grandfather. On the 11th June 1917 Major H.M.Hope Johnstone of the 1st Bn took over command of the 12th Bn and on the 12th June, the Bn relieved the Durham Light Infantry in Impartial Trench preparatory to attack. Their role was to round off the battle by the capture of dug-outs north of the railway at Battle Wood, in conjunction with the 8th Buffs. They secured the objectives that day - see page 179 and 180. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Wilson Posted 14 August , 2009 Share Posted 14 August , 2009 Correction the 12th Bn War Diary confirms date of death as 7th July not 9th - for Colonel Compton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevem49 Posted 14 August , 2009 Share Posted 14 August , 2009 33rd Brigade, 11 Div fought at Messines attached to 16th Irish Div. 9th Sherwood Foresters - Lt.Col W.B. Thornton D.S.O. 6th Lincolns - Major (Temp Lt-Col) George Henry Gater D.S.O. and bar (ex 9th Bn Sherwood Foresters) sm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 14 August , 2009 Share Posted 14 August , 2009 Hi, I am searching for the names and rank of various commanding officers who lead their companies and battalions in to action at Messines in June 1917. I would appreciate any contributions to this (and preferably the source of the information) for any of the following; 122nd BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Francis William Towsey 11th (Lewisham) Royal West Kent Regiment 12th (Bermondsey) East Surreys 15th (2nd Portsmouth Pals) Hampshires 18th (Arts & Craftsmen) King's Royal Rifle Corps (KRRC) Many thanks Glennr Glennr, 18/KRRC were actually "Arts & Crafts" not "Arts & Craftsmen". I've been through the 1916 and 1917 KRRC Chronicles, and the OC at Messines was Capt (temp. Lt.Col.) C.H.Kitching. I have no further information on him unfortunately. Here's the London Gazette entry: (London Gazette issue #29935 published 09 Feb 1917 p 1385) ______________________ For info, he was succeeded by Richard Pennell in September 1917. Here's the LG entry for that too: (London Gazette issue #30412 published 30 Nov 1917 p 12669) Pennell was an 18/KRRC officer who had already acted as temporary battalion commander while Kitching's predecessor, Capt W. Moore-Alpine, endured a bout of sickness in late 1916. Moore-Alpine ended up being repatriated to a hospital in Blighty in December 1916, which led to Kitching's appointment just after Xmas 1916. Pennell went on to win a Bar to his DSO. Clearly a brave man. Capt Moore-Alpine had himself taken over as OC when a single shell killed the previous Commanding Officer, together with the Adjutant, Signalling and Trench Mortar Officers just as the battalion was beginning the attack at Flers-Courcellette in September 1916. Can't help with the 18/KRRC Company commanders though, I'm afraid - I don't have the battalion War Diary for 1917. Cheers, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koyli Posted 14 August , 2009 Share Posted 14 August , 2009 One more, 8th North Staffords : Lt Col H W DAKEYNE DSO Regards lawry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longboat Posted 14 August , 2009 Share Posted 14 August , 2009 11th (Lewisham) Royal West Kent's was as follows, C.O Lt-Col A.C Corfe A Coy- Captain J Lindsay B Coy- Captain C. F Stallard C Coy- Captain R Maltby D Coy- Captain F.G Fraser Captain's Stallard and Maltby were both awarded the M.C for their part in the attack and both were wounded. 2nd Lt A Drumglold assumed command of B Coy and 2nd Lt J.H Greenwoood of C Coy. Source: The History of the 11th (Lewisham) Btn The Queen's Own Royal West Kent Regiment by Captain R.O Russell, M.C. regards Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennr Posted 15 August , 2009 Author Share Posted 15 August , 2009 Wow - thanks all. Really pleased with the information provided. You've made me one happy kiwi. Cheers Glennr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larney Posted 15 August , 2009 Share Posted 15 August , 2009 Glenn, It looks like the 6th South Wales Borerers were commanded by Lieutenant-Colonel E.V.O. Hewett (of the Queen's Own Royal West Kents). (Source 'The History of the South Wales Borderers') Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterhodgkinson Posted 18 August , 2009 Share Posted 18 August , 2009 Glenn Would you like to post your list again with all the COs you know against their battalions. and I'll do my best to fill in the rest. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennr Posted 19 August , 2009 Author Share Posted 19 August , 2009 Hi Peter, Thanks for your reply. Here's the updated list and you'll see that there is still quite a few without commanding officers so any further info you can add would be much appreciated... 32nd BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Thomas Herbert Francis Price 6th Yorkshires (Green Howards) 6th Yorks & Lancasters 8th Duke of Wellingtons 9th West Yorkshires 34th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Stanhope Humphrey Pedley (to 22 Aug) 5th Dorsets 8th Northumberland Fusiliers 9th Lancashire Fusiliers 11th Manchesters PIONEERS: 6th East Yorkshires 47th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General George Edward Pereira 1st Royal Munster Fusiliers 6th Royal Irish Regiment commanded by Major Charles Taylor (not sure if CO of 6th Bn or A Coy of 6th Bn) 6th Connaught Rangers commanded by Rowland Fielding 7th Leinsters commanded by Lieutenant Colonel G A McLean Bucley 48th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Frank William Ramsay 1st Royal Munster Fusiliers 7th Royal Irish Rifles 8th Royal Dublin Fusiliers 9th Royal Dublin Fusiliers 49th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Philip Leveson-Gower 7th Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers 7th Royal Irish Fusiliers 8th Royal Irish Fusiliers 8th Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers: CO, Lieut. Col. Thomas Henry Boardman, D.S.O., Died of Wounds 5 August 1917 PIONEERS: 11th Hampshires 56th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Ernest Craig-Brown (to 5 Sept) 7th King’s Own 7th East Lancashires commanded by Lieutenant Colonel H.L. Jones 7th South Lancashires 7th Loyal North Lancashires 57th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Thomas Astley Cubitt 8th Gloucestershires 8th North Staffordshires commanded by Lieutenant Colonel H.W. Dakeyne 10th Worcesters 10th Royal Warwickshires 58th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Alfred Edgar Glasgow 6th Wiltshires (Wilts Yeomanry from 3 Sept) 9th Cheshires 9th Royal Welsh Fusiliers: CO, Lt. Col. Lovel Francis Smeathman, M.C. 9th Welsh: CO, either Major John Angel Gibbs (killed at Menin Road) or Lt-Col Godfrey PIONEERS: 5th South Wales Borderers 107th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General William Maunder Withycombe 8th (East Belfast Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles 9th (West Belfast Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles 10th (South Belfast Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles 15th (North Belfast Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles 108th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Charles Richard Jebb Griffith 9th (County Armagh, Monaghan & Cavan) Royal Irish Fusiliers 11th (South Antrim Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles 12th (Central Antrim Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles 13th (1st County Down Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles 109th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Ambrose St Quintin Ricardo 9th (County Tyrone Volunteers) Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers 10th (County Derry Volunteers) Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers 11th (Donegal & Fermanagh Vols) Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers 14th (Belfast Young Citizens) Royal Irish Rifles PIONEERS: 16th (2nd County Down Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles 68th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General George Northcote Colville (to 27 Sept), (was wounded on 30 May 1917) 10th Northumberland Fusiliers commanded by Lieut.Col. Lord Robert Manners 11th Northumberland Fusiliers 12th Durham Light Infantry 13th Durham Light Infantry 69th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Thomas Stanton Lambert 8th Yorkshires (Green Howards) commanded by Lieut.Col. Western 9th Yorkshires (Green Howards) 10th Duke of Wellingtons 11th West Yorkshires 70th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Herbert Gordon 8th York & Lancasters 8th Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry (KOYLI) 9th York & Lancasters commanded by Lieut.Col. John Hutton Bowes-Wilson (killed in action 7 June 1917) 11th Sherwood Foresters commanded by Major A.B. Wayte PIONEERS: 9th South Staffordshires 17th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Percy Vere Powys Stone 1st Royal Fusiliers 3rd Rifle Brigade 8th Buffs 12th Royal Fusiliers commanded by Lieutenant Colonel H.W. Compton (wounded by shell 9 June 1917 and died from this wound on 7th July) 72nd BRIGADE: Brigadier-General William Frederick Sweny 1st North Staffordshires 8th Royal West Kents commanded by Lieutenant Colonel Jack C. Parker 8th Queens 9th East Surreys 73rd BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Winston Joseph Dugan 2nd Leinsters 7th Northamptons 9th Royal Sussex 13th Middlesex PIONEERS: 12th Sherwood Foresters commanded by Lieutenant Colonel F.C. Roberts 122nd BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Francis William Towsey 11th (Lewisham) Royal West Kent Regiment commanded by Lieutenant Colonel Arthur C. Corfe A Coy - Captain J Lindsay B Coy - Captain C. F Stallard (wounded at Messines & awarded Military Cross). 2nd Lt A Drumglold assumed command. C Coy - Captain R Maltby (wounded at Messines & awarded Military Cross). 2nd Lt J.H Greenwoood assumed command. D Coy - Captain F.G Fraser 12th (Bermondsey) East Surreys 15th (2nd Portsmouth Pals) Hampshires 18th (Arts & Crafts) King’s Royal Rifle Corps (KRRC) commanded by Temp Lieutenant Colonel C.H. Kitching 140th (4th LONDON) BRIGADE: Brigadier General Henry Percy Brewster Lion Kennedy 1/6 (City of London) London Regiment 1/7 (City of London) London Regiment 1/8 (Post Office Rifles) London Regiment 1/15 (Civil Service Rifles) London Regiment 141st (5th LONDON) BRIGADE: Brigadier General Robert McDougall (or is it McDouall?) 1/17 Bn London Regiment (Poplar & Stepney Rifles) 1/18 Bn London Regiment (London Irish Rifles) 1/19 Bn London Regiment (St Pancras) 1/20 Bn London Regiment (Blackheath & Woolwich) 142nd (6th LONDON) BRIGADE: Brigadier General Vivian Telford Bailey 1/21 Bn London Regiment (1st Surrey Rifles) 1/22 Bn London Regiment (The Queen’s) 1/23 Bn London Regiment (The Queen’s) 1/24 Bn London Regiment (The Queen’s) PIONEERS: 1/4 Bn Royal Welsh Fusiliers 7th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Cranley Charlton Onslow 1st Bn Wiltshire Regiment 8th Bn Loyal North Lancashires 74th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Hugh Keppel Bethell (‘Beetle’) 2nd Royal Irish Rifles 9th Bn Loyal North Lancashires 11th Bn Lancashire Fusiliers 13th Bn Cheshire Regiment 75th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Harry Beauchamp Douglas Baird 2nd South Lancashires 8th Border Regiment 8th South Lancashires 11th Bn Cheshire Regiment PIONEERS: 6th South Wales Borderers commanded by Lieutenant-Colonel E.V.O. Hewett. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickmetcalfe Posted 19 August , 2009 Share Posted 19 August , 2009 Glenn, The units of 36th (Ulster) Division were titled (in full) as follows: 107th Infantry Brigade 8th (Service) Battalion, The Royal Irish Rifles (East Belfast) 9th (Service) Battalion, The Royal Irish Rifles (West Belfast) 10th (Service) Battalion, The Royal Irish Rifles (South Belfast) 15th (Service) Battalion, The Royal Irish Rifles (North Belfast) 108th Infantry Brigade 11th (Service) Battalion, The Royal Irish Rifles (South Antrim) 12th (Service) Battalion, The Royal Irish Rifles (Central Antrim) 13th (Service) Battalion, The Royal Irish Rifles (1st County Down) 9th (Service) Battalion, Princess Victoria’s (Royal Irish Fusiliers) (County Armagh) 109th Infantry Brigade 9th (Service) Battalion, The Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers (County Tyrone) 10th (Service) Battalion, The Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers (Derry) 11th (Service) Battalion, The Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers (Donegal and Fermanagh) 14th (Service) Battalion, The Royal Irish Rifles (Young Citizens) Pioneer Battalion 16th (Service) Battalion, The Royal Irish Rifles (2nd County Down) The use of 'Volunteers' was not official. The CO of the 9th Irish Fusiliers in 108th Infantry Brigade was Lt Col S J Somerville, who was killed in action leading the Battalion in the later attack on 16 August. He was an Inniskilling and had commanded the 9th Irish Fusiliers from March 1917. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennr Posted 19 August , 2009 Author Share Posted 19 August , 2009 Cheers Nick - much appreciated. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evolution Posted 20 August , 2009 Share Posted 20 August , 2009 Hi Glenn, According to the History of the Welsh Regiment, by T. O. Marden, Major John Angel Gibbs, D.S.O. (2i/c) shared the command of 9th Welsh with a Lieutenant-Colonel Godfrey (The new monthly rotational system was in place). Gibbs was in command for the 9th Welsh's next engagement at the Menin Road (where he was killed), but the CO for Messines isn't named, so which of these two led the battalion then I'm not sure. I'll keep nosing though, to see if I can find out! Cheers, Steve. Yup this is the same Ive found regarding the 9th Welch, I will do same keep looking, anything to do with the Welch I love re-going over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterhodgkinson Posted 21 August , 2009 Share Posted 21 August , 2009 Glenn Where did you get your order of battle from? Pillars of Fire? It is not accurate against Becke, Order of Battle of Divisions. For instance, you have 1st Royal Munsters in 47th & 48th Bdes at the same time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennr Posted 23 August , 2009 Author Share Posted 23 August , 2009 Glenn Where did you get your order of battle from? Pillars of Fire? It is not accurate against Becke, Order of Battle of Divisions. For instance, you have 1st Royal Munsters in 47th & 48th Bdes at the same time! Hi Peter, Yes some of this information was gathered from Pillars of Fire and thanks for spotting the duplication of the 1st Royal Munsters. I have corrected my error so that the 48th Brigade has the 2nd Bn Royal Dublin Fusiliers instead of the 1st Royal Munsters. regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterhodgkinson Posted 23 August , 2009 Share Posted 23 August , 2009 32nd BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Thomas Herbert Francis Price 6th Yorkshires (Green Howards) Lt-Col C R White 6th Yorks & Lancasters Lt-Col H E Lavie 8th Duke of Wellingtons Lt-Col G H Wedgwood 9th West Yorkshires Lt-Col F P Worsley 34th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Stanhope Humphrey Pedley (to 22 Aug) 5th Dorsets Lt-Col C C Hannay 8th Northumberland Fusiliers Lt-Col V T R Ford 9th Lancashire Fusiliers Lt-Col V B Thurston 11th Manchesters Lt-Col T D Jackson PIONEERS: 6th East Yorkshires Lt-Col M G Cowper 47th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General George Edward Pereira 1st Royal Munster Fusiliers Lt-Col R H Monck-Mason 6th Royal Irish Regiment commanded by Major Charles Taylor (Lt-Col E Roche-Kelly was officially the CO) 6th Connaught Rangers commanded by Rowland C Fielding 7th Leinsters commanded by Lieutenant Colonel G A McLean Buckley 48th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Frank William Ramsay 2nd Royal Dublin Fusiliers Lt-Col RGB Jeffries (wounded 7/6/17) 7th Royal Irish Rifles Lt-Col SG Francis 8th Royal Dublin Fusiliers Lt-Col A C Thompson 9th Royal Dublin Fusiliers Lt-Col F S Thackeray 49th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Philip Leveson-Gower 2nd Royal Irish Regiment Lt-Col W J Dugan 7th/8th Royal Irish Fusiliers Lt-Col K C Weldon 7th Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers Lt-Col H N Young 8th Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers: CO, Lieut. Col. Thomas Henry Boardman, D.S.O., Died of Wounds 5 August 1917 PIONEERS: 11th Hampshires Lt-Col B E Crockett 56th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Ernest Craig-Brown (to 5 Sept) 7th King’s Own Lt-Col T Fitzjohn 7th East Lancashires commanded by Lieutenant Colonel H.L. Jones 7th South Lancashires Lt-Col C R P Winser 7th Loyal North Lancashires Lt-Col W J M Hill 57th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Thomas Astley Cubitt 8th Gloucestershires Lt-Col R B Umfreville 8th North Staffordshires commanded by Lieutenant Colonel H.W. Dakeyne 10th Worcesters Lt-Col D M A Sole 10th Royal Warwickshires Lt-Col R M Heath 58th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Alfred Edgar Glasgow 6th Wiltshires (Wilts Yeomanry from 3 Sept) Lt-Col A G Thynne 9th Cheshires Lt-Col R B Worgan 9th Royal Welsh Fusiliers: CO, Lt. Col. Lovel Francis Smeathman, M.C. 9th Welsh: CO, either Major John Angel Gibbs (killed at Menin Road) or Lt-Col W Godfrey PIONEERS: 5th South Wales Borderers Lt-Col E V O Hewett 107th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General William Maunder Withycombe 8th (East Belfast Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles Lt-Col G C Cole-hamilton 9th (West Belfast Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles Lt-Col P J Woods 10th (South Belfast Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles Lt-Col N G Burnand 15th (North Belfast Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles Lt-Col F L Gordon 108th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Charles Richard Jebb Griffith 9th (County Armagh, Monaghan & Cavan) Royal Irish Fusiliers Maj S J Somerville 11th (South Antrim Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles Lt-Col P L Kington-Blair-Oliphant 12th (Central Antrim Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles Lt-Col W R Goodwin 13th (1st County Down Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles Lt-Col R D P Maxwell 109th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Ambrose St Quintin Ricardo 9th (County Tyrone Volunteers) Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers Lt-Col W J Peacocke 10th (County Derry Volunteers) Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers Lt-Col F S N Macrory 11th (Donegal & Fermanagh Vols) Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers Lt-Col A C Pratt 14th (Belfast Young Citizens) Royal Irish Rifles Lt-Col F O Bowen PIONEERS: 16th (2nd County Down Volunteers) Royal Irish Rifles Lt-Col C F Meares 68th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General George Northcote Colville (to 27 Sept), (was wounded on 30 May 1917) 10th Northumberland Fusiliers commanded by Lieut.Col. Lord Robert W O Manners 11th Northumberland Fusiliers Lt-Col A A St Hill 12th Durham Light Infantry Lt-Col R Tyndall 13th Durham Light Infantry Maj J A Downey 69th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Thomas Stanton Lambert 8th Yorkshires (Green Howards) commanded by Lieut.Col. B C M Western 9th Yorkshires (Green Howards) Lt-Col H A S Prior 10th Duke of Wellingtons Lt-Col R R Raymer 11th West Yorkshires Lt-Col M G H Barker 70th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Herbert Gordon 8th York & Lancasters Lt-Col S L Whatford 8th Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry (KOYLI) Lt-Col D Quirk 9th York & Lancasters commanded by Lieut.Col. John Hutton Bowes-Wilson (killed in action 7 June 1917) 11th Sherwood Foresters commanded by Major A.B. Wayte (Lt-Col H F Watson officially CO) PIONEERS: 9th South Staffordshires Lt-Col R Stephenson 17th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Percy Vere Powys Stone 1st Royal Fusiliers Lt-Col M P Hancock 3rd Rifle Brigade Lt-Col R Pigott 8th Buffs Lt-Col F C R Studd 12th Royal Fusiliers commanded by Lieutenant Colonel H.W. Compton (wounded by shell 9 June 1917 and died from this wound on 7th July) 72nd BRIGADE: Brigadier-General William Frederick Sweny 1st North Staffordshires Lt-Col W F B R Dugmore 8th Royal West Kents commanded by Lieutenant Colonel Jack C. Parker 8th Queens Lt-Col A M Tringham 9th East Surreys H V M De La Fontaine 73rd BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Winston Joseph Dugan 2nd Leinsters Lt-Col A D Murphy 7th Northamptons Lt-Col E R Mobbs 9th Royal Sussex Lt-Col M V B HIll 13th Middlesex Lt-Col J Greene PIONEERS: 12th Sherwood Foresters commanded by Lieutenant Colonel F J Roberts 122nd BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Francis William Towsey 11th (Lewisham) Royal West Kent Regiment commanded by Lieutenant Colonel Arthur C. Corfe A Coy - Captain J Lindsay B Coy - Captain C. F Stallard (wounded at Messines & awarded Military Cross). 2nd Lt A Drumglold assumed command. C Coy - Captain R Maltby (wounded at Messines & awarded Military Cross). 2nd Lt J.H Greenwoood assumed command. D Coy - Captain F.G Fraser 12th (Bermondsey) East Surreys Lt-Col E Knapp 15th (2nd Portsmouth Pals) Hampshires Lt-Col C D V Cary-Barnard 18th (Arts & Crafts) King’s Royal Rifle Corps (KRRC) commanded by Temp Lieutenant Colonel C.H. Kitching 140th (4th LONDON) BRIGADE: Brigadier General Henry Percy Brewster Lion Kennedy 1/6 (City of London) London Regiment Lt-Col W F Mildren 1/7 (City of London) London Regiment Lt-Col C J Salkeld-Green 1/8 (Post Office Rifles) London Regiment Lt-Col A Maxwell 1/15 (Civil Service Rifles) London Regiment Lt-Col H Marshall 141st (5th LONDON) BRIGADE: Brigadier General Robert McDougall (or is it McDouall?) 1/17 Bn London Regiment (Poplar & Stepney Rifles) Lt-Col W Hughes 1/18 Bn London Regiment (London Irish Rifles) Lt-Col D B Parry 1/19 Bn London Regiment (St Pancras) Lt-Col R S I Friend 1/20 Bn London Regiment (Blackheath & Woolwich) Lt-Col W H Matthews 142nd (6th LONDON) BRIGADE: Brigadier General Vivian Telford Bailey 1/21 Bn London Regiment (1st Surrey Rifles) Lt-Col A Hutchence 1/22 Bn London Regiment (The Queen’s) Lt-Col C J S Green 1/23 Bn London Regiment (The Queen’s) Maj T C Hatgreaves 1/24 Bn London Regiment (The Queen’s) Lt-Col G E Millner PIONEERS: 1/4 Bn Royal Welsh Fusiliers Lt-Col C E Fitch 7th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Cranley Charlton Onslow 1st Bn Wiltshire Regiment Lt-Col S S Ogilvie 8th Bn Loyal North Lancashires Lt-Col G F Marriott 74th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Hugh Keppel Bethell (‘Beetle’) 2nd Royal Irish Rifles Lt-Col H R Goddman 9th Bn Loyal North Lancashires Lt-Col H M Craigie-Halkett 11th Bn Lancashire Fusiliers Lt-Col E C de R Martin 13th Bn Cheshire Regiment Lt-Col L H K Finch 75th BRIGADE: Brigadier-General Harry Beauchamp Douglas Baird 2nd South Lancashires Lt-Col H C Herbert 8th Border Regiment Lt-Col C W H Birt 8th South Lancashires Lt-Col J B Allsopp 11th Bn Cheshire Regiment Lt-Col W K Evans PIONEERS: 6th South Wales Borderers commanded by Lieutenant-Colonel E.V.O. 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Stebie9173 Posted 23 August , 2009 Share Posted 23 August , 2009 I can confirm Lt. Col. Edgar Robert Mobbs as C.O. of the 7th Northamptons during the battle. He was struck twice by pieces of shell and slightly wounded both times. He was evacuated after the battle, rejoining the battalion on 29th June 1917. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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