Macthomas Posted 6 November , 2006 Share Posted 6 November , 2006 Hi, Could anyone please give me an estimate, as to the value of a single memorial plaque to a Major of the East Lancashire regiment, assuming no gallantry awards etc. I may have the opportunity to obtain one and dont want to pay too much. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Johnson Posted 6 November , 2006 Share Posted 6 November , 2006 That is hard to say. First, are there any casualties of the same name? In the alternative, is there any supporting original material? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macthomas Posted 6 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 6 November , 2006 Hi micheal, I would say it is quite an unusual name but would rather not say what it is, I believe I have found his MIC but that is about it. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Lees Posted 6 November , 2006 Share Posted 6 November , 2006 Check on CWGC or Soldiers Died to find out if there are any other casualties of the same name. If there are, the value will be lowered unless there is anything to corroborate it being the man you think it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macthomas Posted 6 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 6 November , 2006 I have tried to find him on CWGC but cannot find him. If it is the man I think it is, he did serve first with The Nigeria Regiment. I dont know if this would explain not being able to find him on CWGC. He has what I think is an Irish surname and three christian names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Johnson Posted 6 November , 2006 Share Posted 6 November , 2006 I have tried to find him on CWGC but cannot find him. If it is the man I think it is, he did serve first with The Nigeria Regiment. I dont know if this would explain not being able to find him on CWGC. He has what I think is an Irish surname and three christian names. It shouldn't. You can do a global search by leaving the last two search options blank. If the Irish name is an Mc, try Mac as well. Leave the initals field blank as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macthomas Posted 7 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 7 November , 2006 Thanks for the replies. I will let you know if I buy it and who it is named to. Cheers Macthomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macthomas Posted 7 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 7 November , 2006 I did not buy this item today, the price went above what I could afford for it today. I can now tell you that the name on the plaque was McGRATH, BEAUCHAMP HENRY BUTLER and it sold for £62.00 hammer price but I still think it was worth it. The price was for the plaque alone, no box or papers etc. From what I can tell. McGrath was a Captain in the Nigeria Reg and then a Major in the East Lancashires, his father was a Major-General in the Indian Army. Plenty of research possible there. I would have liked to have added it to my small collection, but it wasnt to be Cheers, Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Upton Posted 7 November , 2006 Share Posted 7 November , 2006 I did not buy this item today, the price went above what I could afford for it today. I can now tell you that the name on the plaque was McGRATH, BEAUCHAMP HENRY BUTLER and it sold for £62.00 hammer price but I still think it was worth it. The price was for the plaque alone, no box or papers etc. From what I can tell. McGrath was a Captain in the Nigeria Reg and then a Major in the East Lancashires, his father was a Major-General in the Indian Army. Plenty of research possible there. I would have liked to have added it to my small collection, but it wasnt to be Cheers, Ian Here's your man on the CWGC: http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=266077 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 7 November , 2006 Share Posted 7 November , 2006 Bargain - I have been known to pay that for coldstream plaques to Privates! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macthomas Posted 7 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 7 November , 2006 Thanks Andrew, I did actually find him on the CWGC last night when I tried spelling the name correctly. Coldstreamer, I would have been happy to pay that for it if I had the money but things are tight for me just now. I decided my price beforehand and stuck to it. I was also a bit unsure, as I have never purchased a Death Plaque before (I have tried but they also went to dear) and this one appeared too good to be true. Are there any well know fake plaques about? What names are best avoided? Cheers, Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Robertson Posted 7 November , 2006 Share Posted 7 November , 2006 and it sold for £62.00 hammer price but I still think it was worth it. £62 for a plaque to a Major? WOW! Somebody had a good day today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macthomas Posted 7 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 7 November , 2006 OK so you all think I should have kept on bidding then? Wonder when I will come across another one like that! I am mad at myself now because I knew, but you live and learn. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Pegum Posted 7 November , 2006 Share Posted 7 November , 2006 Here's your man on the CWGC: http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=266077 The entry on CWGC says, in part "Son of Maj. Gen. Beauchamp H. W. Mcgrath (Indian Army) and Mrs. Mcgrath; husband of Dorothy Stansfeld (formerly Mcgrath).. It should be "McGrath (formerly Stansfield)". I have often seen this on CWGC entries. Is it some bug in their database, or have I just been unlucky in seeing cases? Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Johnson Posted 7 November , 2006 Share Posted 7 November , 2006 The entry on CWGC says, in part "Son of Maj. Gen. Beauchamp H. W. Mcgrath (Indian Army) and Mrs. Mcgrath; husband of Dorothy Stansfeld (formerly Mcgrath).. It should be "McGrath (formerly Stansfield)". I have often seen this on CWGC entries. Is it some bug in their database, or have I just been unlucky in seeing cases? Michael It isn't an error. It shows that the widow had remarried at the time Commonwealth War Graves contacted her. Most couldn't afford not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianw Posted 7 November , 2006 Share Posted 7 November , 2006 Will we see it on Ebay soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macthomas Posted 7 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 7 November , 2006 Will we see it on Ebay soon? Well if it does and you win it, do I get a finders fee? Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianw Posted 8 November , 2006 Share Posted 8 November , 2006 Fraid not Ian - although you might have done if I had bought it at the auction for £63 ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pettsy Posted 8 November , 2006 Share Posted 8 November , 2006 I wonder why it is not longer in his family? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted 8 November , 2006 Share Posted 8 November , 2006 He was killed instantly by a 5.9 in shell in Collingwood Avenue near Hannescamps along with Capt Hallet, RA, and their orderlies. He had just returned from leave. Phil B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Johnson Posted 8 November , 2006 Share Posted 8 November , 2006 I wonder why it is not longer in his family? I know it is unfathomable to us who treasure these mementoes, that anyone would ever part with any family items, but others don't see it that way. For mothers and wives, I can see that a piece of metal cannot replace what they lost. In some cases perhaps the reminder was too much. In others, in that very pragmatic time, they moved on with their lives. I can see that a second husband might not always take kindly to a perpetual reminder of his predecessor. In some cases, they may have passed to a remote relative, who may or may not have had relations known to his/her executor. I wonder how many lawyers/executors sold these off "to wind up the estate"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macthomas Posted 8 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 8 November , 2006 QUOTE (Phil_B @ Nov 8 2006, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He was killed instantly by a 5.9 in shell in Collingwood Avenue near Hannescamps along with Capt Hallet, RA, and their orderlies. He had just returned from leave. Phil B Wow, all this information being provided. If only I had bought the bloody thing. What makes it worse is that my wife informed me last night that she would not have minded if I had carried on bidding as she has a wee drop money put away that I could have "borrowed". In the words of my good friend Homer Simpson..... "D'oh". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted 8 November , 2006 Share Posted 8 November , 2006 Every member has a tale of the one that got away! Way back, I turned down an Accrington Pals pair and plaque KIA 1/7/16 because £25 was much higher than the going rate at the time. Doh! Phil B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 8 November , 2006 Share Posted 8 November , 2006 OK so you all think I should have kept on bidding then? Wonder when I will come across another one like that! I am mad at myself now because I knew, but you live and learn. Ian There are dozens of medals I could and should have purchased - but the money wasnt available then and thats what it comes down to in the end Knowing your limit is a good character trait - I know mine but thank god mrs coldstreamer doesnt know how much they cost "victory cross" - thats what she calls most ww1 medals Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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