Pte Herbert John Green

[alison]

Hello everyone

Please can anyone help with the details of events, 87 years ago today,

when Herbert John Green died.

Herbert was my great aunts first husband.

As per cwgc.

Name: Green, Herbert John

Initials: H J

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Private

Regiment: Royal Berkshire Regiment

Unit Text: 8th Bn.

Age: 22

Date of Death: 17.09.1918

Service No: 43022

Additional information: Son of Alfred and Hannah Green, of Frampton

Cotterell, Bristol; husband of Agnes Julia Green,

of Wadley`s End, Winterbourne, Bristol.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth war Dead

Grave/Memorial ref: I. B. 12.

Cemetery: Unicorn Cemetery, Vend`huile

I have only just started to research him, so I have not got much to go on.

So if anyone can add anything else, it would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Alison.

[Stebie9173]

Entry for the 17-9-1918 in the 8th battalion War Diary:

Tuesday 17th September 1918 France, EPINETIE WOOD

Remained in present positions all day. A great number of gas shells fell in vicinity of Battalion HQ during the night.

Doesn't really say much. He may have died of wounds received a few days earlier.

The War Diaries of the Berkshires are often blank while the Battalions are out of the line, so picking up from the 15th:

Sunday 15th September 1918 France, MONTAUBAN

10:15AM. Orders were received for the Battalion to relieve a unit of the 74th Division in the line on the night of 16th inst. Probable tour in line 7 days.

Monday 16th September 1918 France, MONTAUBAN

8:20AM. Moved by bus to vicinity of NURLU and marched to EPINETIE WOOD where dinners and teas were served.

EPINETIE WOOD. 5:30PM.

Battalion moved to take over front line from units of 74th Division between F.19 d 0.4 and E.18 b 5.9 East of ST. EMILY. Battalion HQrs were located in Railway Bank at E.23 b 5.0.

That doesn't add much either.

So I would imagine he was either hit by sniper or artillery fire whilst in the trenches, or succumbed to the gas shells.

You can look through the War Diary yourself at:

http://www.thewardrobe.org.uk/wardiary.php3

Private Green doesn't seem to be mentioned individually, but not many "OTher Ranks" were...

Steve.

[wizzie]

Is this them on the 1901 Census?

Ada Green age 12 born Frampton Cotterell, Gloucestershire, Daughter

Alfred Green 33 Frampton Cotterell, Gloucestershire, Head Coal Miner (Hewer)

Ethel Green 9 Frampton Cotterell, Gloucestershire, Daughter

George Green 11 Frampton Cotterell, Gloucestershire, Son

Hannah Green 31 Frampton Cotterell, Gloucestershire Wife

Herbert Green 5 Frampton Cotterell, Gloucestershire, Son

In the house next door is a John T Green age 63 also a Coal Miner (Hewer) and wife Anna Maria age 63 both also born Frampton Cotterell

The address is not easy to read but it looks like Sloue Close, there are no numbers.

Wizzie

[wizzie]

And,

His birth is registered in Chipping Sodbury in the quarter to June 1896

Wizzie

[alison]

Wizzie

Thanks for the census info, thats brilliant. It seems to fit with what I know.

Would the address be Stone Close?.. as that would place them near to some other relatives, which would make sense now.

Thanks again for your help.

Alison

[alison]

Steve

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

I have had a quick browse through the War Diary, and will have a better read tomorrow, as its late now.

I will also have a search for his mic, and see if theres any other info to be gleaned. I may be back with more questions, if thats ok.

Thanks again for your help.

Alison

[wizzie]

Don't know about Stone, judge for yourself

[Stebie9173]

Herbert J Green MIC:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...1&resultcount=1

Steve.

[alison]

Wizzie

Thanks, I see what you mean about the hand writing.

The more I look at it, the less sure I am what it says.

I think it was a case of wishful thinking, as another branch of the family were listed as living at Stone Close, and I jumped to conclusions.

Thanks for your help.

Steve

Thanks for the link, I don`t get on with the mic search facility, so thats

saved me some stress.

I will post the mic here and see if anything else comes to light.

Thanks again.

Alison

[alison]

Steve

Here is the mic for Herbert.

It doesn`t seen to say anything else, other than what we already know.

Is it just me or does the zero look like a six? Maybe its just the handwriting,

during that amount of transcriptions that were done.

Thanks again, you have been really helpful.

Thanks

Alison

[Stebie9173]

It could be a 3 or a 6 but bearing in mind that CWGC states 43022, I think it is safe to say that it is a Zero.

The only other thing this adds is that he went overseas after 1-1-1916 due to the lack of a 1914-15 Star.

Steve.

[Christina]

Having downloaded several census sheets myself, most with terrible writing, I would say it is Stone Close. I am on another site and will ask if there is an 1891 census sheet for them. You could be lucky they may be at the same address.

Regards

Christina

[Stebie9173]

The Greens are on the 1891 Census as "Grein".

Alfred Thomas Green (Coalminer), Hannah Green, Florence Ada Green, and Alfred George.

The handwriting is very close to the 1901 Census (If not the same man!), but I would say Stone Close...

Sorry, can't post image from here. There is also a description on the Enumeration District. I'll try and post an image later.

Steve.

[alison]

Christina

Thanks, that would be great if you could find them in the 1891 census.

I have been going cross eyed looking at the street name from Wizzie, and am still not sure what it says.

Thanks for taking the time to look.

Also, a big thanks to everyone who has contibuted so far.

Alison

[alison]

Steve,

Thanks for the info, thats great to have the first names of the older

children. Thats something else to work on now.

Thanks again for taking the time to look.

It always amazes me how helpful everyone on the forum is.

Thanks

Alison

[Guest wrinklyone]

Alison

If you haven't already, take a look at the series of four s/b books about the Kitchener battalions (5/6/&8 Bns). These were written by four devotees of the Royal Berks, all members of Thames Valley branch of the WFA. The fourth is called 'Their Duty Done' and covers actions in 1918. Threre's a sketch map and description of 8Bn action at Lempire on 18-24 September (a little late, I know). An easy read, and Appendix V lists all casualties, including Herbert John Green.

[mac]

Alison

Refrence the last post te book in question is avalible from the Regimental Museum at www.thewardrobe.org.uk I think it is avalible on the shop section.

Cheers

[Stephen Nulty]

Here's the image from the Enumeration District description.

It's definitely Stone Close.

Edit :- Sorry, Steve, I've only just seen your posting stating that you were going to post a copy of this image.

Edited 19 September , 2005 by Stephen Nulty

[Stebie9173]

No problem, Stephen. Sooner is better than later! Whatever WORKs.

Steve.

[Stephen Nulty]

Whatever WORKs.

Don't get me going !!!!!

[Guest wrinklyone]

the book in question is avalaible from the Regimental Museum at www.thewardrobe.org.uk

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And I see that our very own Tom Morgan now has this fourth book (but not, apparently, the three books covering the earlier years) on offer at a ridiculously low price.

[alison]

Hello Everyone

Sorry for the delay in replying, sadly a little thing called `work` kept me from my computer.

Thanks for the image of `Stone Close`, it is certainly clear enough to confirm it is correct. Thats something else to work with now.

Thanks for the details of books, I have had a quick look and will mail Tom Morgan, and take it from there.

So, a great big thank you to all who have helped.

It is very much appreciated.

Thanks

Alison.

[Christina]

Hi Alison

From the 1891 census

Stone Close Frampton Cotterell.

Alfred GREIN 1868 Frampton Cotterell a coal miner.

Hannah 1870 '

Florence Ada 1889 '

alfred George 1890 '

Mispelt but the correct one.

Regards

Christina

[alison]

Christina

Thank for the details, every little helps, and I now know to check various spellings of Green, when searching for other details.

I have now mailed Tom Morgans bookshop, regarding the books ( 2 of them are listed for sale), so its just a case of waiting to see if they are still available.

Thanks

Alison