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Territorial Force Renumbering 1917


ianjonesncl

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Picked this up from a post by David Porter on the renumbering of the Territorrial Force in 1917. David says " I've looked at this aspect for several years and I'm still getting to grips with it" , so even complex for an expert !!

Source: Birmingham and the Royal Field Artillery? .

Some key points:

  • All Territorial Force RH & RFA were renumbered as per ACI 2198 (Appendix 183) of November 1916 implemented on January 1, 1917.
  • The renumbering didn't happen during the reorganisation of May 1916 but curiously (sometimes) refers to the unit they were in at that time.
  • It appears the renumbering was more related to the previous number which didn't change if they transferred to another TF RH or RFA unit.

One assumes that there would have been a cut off point in the records office whereby the new numbers were allocated from the nominal role at that point in time to reduce the problems of continually changing lists due to casualties and replacements. Given the time to collate all the information, publish and print the ACI the nominal role at May 1916 may have been used.

Chris on the Long Long Trail outlines the overall mechanism Renumbering of the Territorial Force in 1917, and concludes "The ACIs are sometimes contradictory, are susceptible to different interpretations and there were doubtless many errors made by the clerks responsible for actually executing the changes." .

Those who served post war may also have another number issued on the re-establishment in 1920. I have a soldier who was a pre and post war Territorial and has three numbers.

Always grateful for a post by Kondoa which details the TF numbers for thr Royal Artillery.

Royal Artillery Units

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RANGE/ BRIGADE (OR BATTERY)/ PREWAR REGULAR ARMY RHA/RFA

1 - 99999

SN RANGE/ BRIGADE (OR BATTERY)/ PREWAR REGULAR ARMY RGA

1 - 49999

SN RANGE/ BRIGADE (OR BATTERY)/ NEW ARMY BATTERY Etc.

11 Hull HB 290003 290324

158 Hull HB " "

38 Howitzer Brigade " "

38 Welsh HB 290325 290590

122 Oxford HB

124 Hull HB 290601 290850

126 Camberwell HB 290851 291008

199 Camberwell HB 291001 291145

127 Bristol HB 291146 291300

128 Oxford HB 291350 291500

129 Bristol HB 291580 291780

132 Oxford HB 291780 292000

125 County PalatineHB 292001 292250

133 County PalatineHB 292251 292450

134 Cornwall HB TF ------- -------- see TF lists

135 Oxford HB 292451 292700

137 Deptford HB 292726 292975

138 HampsteadHB 292951 293200

140 HammersmithHB 293201 293415

136 County PalatineHB 293401 293700

141 East Ham HB 293701 293950

142 Durham HB -------- -------- see TF lists

143 Ashton Under Lyne 293951 294150

144 York HB 294151 294350

145 Stockport HB 294351 294600

146 Hull HB 294601 294800

147 Leicester HB 294801 295000

148 Smethwick HB 295051 295300

149 Wakefield HB 295301 295550

150 Rotherham HB 295551 295750

151 Darlington HB 295751 296000

152 Hackney HB 296001 296250

153 Tottenham HB 296251 296500

139 HampsteadHB 296501 296700

154 Halifax 296701 296850

155 E. CheshireHB 296851 297100

156 Oxford 297101 297400

157 Leicester HB 297401 297600

SN RANGE/ BRIGADE (OR BATTERY)/ FORMER TF BRIGADE

300001-306000 4 HIGHLAND MTN BDE, RGA

306001-307000 FIFESHIRE HVY BY, RGA/ HIGHLAND DIV

307001-308000 2/1 EDINBURGH HVY BY, RGA/ LOWLAND DIV

307001-308000 CITY OF EDINBURGH HVY BY, RGA LOWLAND DIV

308001-310000 1 LANCASHIRE HY BY, RGA/ W LANCS DIV

308001-310000 2 LANCASHIRE HY BY, RGA/ W LANCS DIV

310001-311000 CARNARVON HVY BDE, RGA/ WELCH DIV

311001-312000 NORTHUMBRIAN HVY BY, RGA/ NUMBRIAN DIV

312001-313000 W RIDING HVY BDE, RGA /W RIDING DIV

313001-314000 2/1 N MIDLAND HVY BY, RGA /N MIDLAND DIV

313001-314000 STAFFORDSHIRE HVY BY, RGA/ N MIDLAND DIV

314001-315000 WARWICKSHIRE HVY BY, RGA/ S MIDLAND DIV

315001-316000 1/1 WESSEX (HAMPSHIRE) HVY BY, RGA/ WESSEX DIV

315001-316000 HAMPSHIRE HVY BY, RGA/ WESSEX DIV

316001-317000 ESSEX HVY BY, RGA/ E ANGLICAN DIV

317001-318000 KENT HVY BY, RGA/ HOME CO DIV

318001-321000 1 LONDON HVY BY, RGA/ LONDON DIV

318001-321000 2 LONDON HVY BY, RGA/ LONDON DIV

321001-326000 CORNWALL FORTRESS RGA

326001-329000 CLYDE FORTRESS RGA

329001-334000 DEVON FORTRESS RGA

334001-337000 DORSETSHIRE FORTRESS RGA

337001-340000 DURHAM FORTRESS RGA

340001-344000 ESSEX & SUSSEX FORTRESS RGA

344001-348000 FORTH (CITY OF EDINBURGH) FORTRESS RGA

348001-352000 GLAMORGAN FORTRESS RGA

352001-358000 HAMPSHIRE (SOUTHAMPTON) FORTRESS RGA

358001-362000 KENT FORTRESS RGA

362001-365000 LANCASHIRE & CHESHIRE FORTRESS RGA

365001-368000 N SCOTTISH (CITY OF ABERDEEN) FORTRESS RGA

368001-371000 ORKNEY FORTRESS RGA

371001-374000 PEMBROKE FORTRESS RGA

374001-376000 SUSSEX FORTRESS RGA

376001-328000 NORTHUMBERLAND (TYNEMOUTH) FORTRESS RGA

382001-388000 E RIDING OF YORKSHIRE FORTRESS RGA

600001-602000 INVERNESS-SHIRE BTY, RHA/ INVERNESS, RHA

602001-604000 1/AYRSHIRE BTY, RHA/ AYR, RHA

604001-606000 SHROPSHIRE BTY, RHA/ SHROPSHIRE, RHA

606001-608000 GLAMORGAN BTY, RHA/ GLAMORGAN RHA

608001-610000 C/264 W RIDING RHA

610001-612000 LEICESTERSHIRE BTY, RHA/ LEICESTER, RHA

612001-614000 NOTTINGHAMSHIRE BTY, RHA/ NOTTINGHAM, RHA

614001-616000 1/WARWICKSHIRE BTY, RHA/ WARWICK, RHA

616001-618000 BERKSHIRE BTY, RHA/ BERKSHIRE, RHA

618001-620000 A/264 HANTS RHA

620001-622000 SOMERSETSHIRE BTY, RHA/ SOMERSET, RHA

622001-624000 B/264 ESSEX RHA

624001-628000 HONOURABLE ARTILLERY CO. LONDON

630001-635000 255 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/1 HIGHLAND BDE

630001-635000 320 BDE, RFA TF/BDE, 2/HIGHLAND

635001-640000 256 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/ 2 HIGHLAND BDE

635001-640000 321 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/HIGHLAND

640001-645000 258 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/2 HIGHLAND BDE

640001-645000 322 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/HIGHLAND

645001-650000 51 DAC/ HIGHLAND

645001-650000 64 DAC/ 2/HIGHLAND

650001-655000 257 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/1 LOWLAND BETWEEN 11 MAY 16-3 JUN 16

650001-655000 325 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/LOWLAND

655001-660000 261 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/2 LOWLAND (260, 28 MAY 16-SEP 16)

655001-660000 326 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/LOWLAND

660001-665000 262 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/3 LOWLAND (261, 28 MAY 16-SEP 16)

660001-665000 327 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/LOWLAND

665001-669000 263 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/4 LOWLAND BDE (BROKEN UP DEC 16)

665001-670000 328 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/LOWLAND

669001-671000 264 BDE, RFA TF/ LOWLAND

670001-675000 65 DAC/ 2/LOWLAND

671001-675000 52 DAC/ LOWLAND

675001-680000 275 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/1 W LANCS

675001-680000 285 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/1 W LANCS

680001-685000 276 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/2 W LANCS

680001-685000 286 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/2 W LANCS

685001-690000 277 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/3 W LANCS

685001-690000 287 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/3 W LANCS (BROKEN UP FEB 17)

690001-695000 278 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/4 W LANCS (BROKEN UP OCT 16)

690001-695000 288 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/4 W LANCS

695001-700000 55 DAC/ W LANCASHIRE

695001-700000 57 DAC/ 2/W LANCASHIRE

700001-705000 210 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/1 E LANCS

700001-705000 330 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/1 E LANCASHIRE

705001-710000 211 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/2 E LANCS (BROKEN UP FEB 17)

705001-710000 331 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/2 E LANCASHIRE

710001-715000 212 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/3 E LANCS (RENUMBERED AS 211 BDE ON DEC 16)

710001-715000 332 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/3 LANCASHIRE (BROKEN UP, APR 17)

715001-720000 213 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/4 E LANCS BDE (BROKEN UP DEC 16, BTYS TO 120 & 211)

715001-720000 333 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/4 LANCASHIRE

720001-725000 42 DAC/ E LANC

720001-725000 66 DAC/ 2/E LANCASHIRE

725001-730000 265 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/1 WELCH BDE (BROKEN UP DEC 16)(RENUMBERED FROM 267, DEC 16)

725001-730000 340 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/1 WELCH (BROKEN UP MAY 16, BTRYS TO 342 & 343 BDES)

730001-735000 266 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/2 WELCH BDE

730001-735000 341 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/2 WELCH

735001-740000 267 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/1 CHESHIRE BDE (RENUMBERED 265, DEC 16)

735001-740000 342 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/1 CHESHIRE BDE

740001-745000 268 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/4 WELCH BDE (RENUMBERED 266, DEC 16)

740001-745000 343 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/4 WELCH

745001-750000 54 DAC/ WELCH

745001-750000 68 DAC/ 2/WELCH

750001-755000 250 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/1 NORTHUMBRIAN BDE

750001-755000 315 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/1 NORTHUMBRIAN

755001-760000 BDE, RFA TF/ 251 1/2 NORTHUMBRIAN BDE

755001-760000 BDE, RFA TF/ 316 2/2 NORTHUMBRIAN

760001-765000 BDE, RFA TF/ 252 1/3 NORTHUMBRIAN BDE

760001-765000 BDE, RFA TF/ 317 2/3 NORTHUMBRIAN

765001-770000 BDE, RFA TF/ 253 1/4 NORTHUMBRIAN BDE

765001-770000 BDE, RFA TF/ 318 2/4 NORTHUMBRIAN (RENUMBERED 223, JUL 16)

770001-775000 50 DAC/ NORTHUMBRIAN

770001-775000 63 DAC/ 2/NORTHUMBRIAN

775001-780000 245 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/1 W RIDING BDE

775001-780000 310 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/1 W RIDING

780001-785000 246 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/2 W RIDING BDE

780001-785000 311 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/2 W RIDING

785001-790000 247 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/3 W RIDING BDE

785001-790000 312 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/3 W RIDING

790001-795000 248 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/4 W RIDING BDE

790001-795000 313 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/4 W RIDING

795001-800000 49 DAC/ W RIDING

795001-800000 62 DAC/ 2/W RIDING

800001-805000 230 BDE, RFA TF/ 1 N MIDLAND BDE

800001-805000 295 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/1 N MIDLAND

805001-810000 231 BDE, RFA TF/ 2 N MIDLAND BDE

805001-810000 296 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/2 MIDLAND

810001-815000 232 AFA BDE BDE, RFA TF/ 3 N MIDLAND BDE

810001-815000 297 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/3 MIDLAND

815001-820000 233 BDE, RFA TF/ N MIDLAND

815001-820000 298 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/4 MIDLAND

820001-825000 46 DAC/ N MIDLAND

820001-825000 59 DAC/ 2/N MIDLAND

825001-830000 240 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/1 S MIDLAND BDE

825001-830000 305 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/1 S MIDLAND (BROKEN UP, SEP 16)

830001-835000 241 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/2 S MIDLAND BDE

830001-835000 306 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/2 S MIDLAND

835001-840000 242 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/3 S MIDLAND BDE

835001-840000 307 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/3 S MIDLAND

840001-845000 243 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/4 S MIDLAND BDE

840001-845000 308 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/4 S MIDLAND

845001-850000 48 DAC/ S MIDLAND

845001-850000 61 DAC/ 2/S MIDLAND

850001-855000 215 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/1 WESSEX BDE

850001-855000 225 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/1 WESSEX BDE

855001-860000 'E' RES BDE

855001-860000 216 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/2 WESSEX BDE

860001-865000 217 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/4 WESSEX BDE

860001-865000 227 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/2 WESSEX BDE

865001-870000 218 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/3 WESSEX BDE

865001-870000 228 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/3 WESSEX BDE

870001-875000 43 DAC/ WESSEX

870001-875000 45 DAC/ WESSEX

875001-880000 270 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/1 E ANGLICAN BDE (RENUMBERED 272, DEC 16)

875001-880000 345 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/1 E ANGLICAN (BROKEN UP DEC 16))

880001-885000 271 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/2 E ANGLICAN BDE

880001-885000 346 BDE, RFA TF/ BDE, 2/2 E ANGLICAN

885001-890000 272 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/3 BDE ANGLICAN BDE (BROKEN UP DEC 16)

885001-890000 347 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/3 E ANGLICAN

890001-895000 273 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/4 E ANGLICAN BDE (RENUMBERED 270, DEC 16)

890001-895000 348 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/4 E ANGLICAN

895001-900000 55 DAC/ E ANGLICAN

895001-900000 69 DAC/ 2/E ANGLICAN

900001-905000 220 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/1 HOME CO BDE

900001-905000 335 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/1 HOME CO (BROKEN UP MAR 16)

905001-910000 221 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/2 HOME CO BDE

905001-910000 336 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/2 HOME CO

910001-915000 222 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/3 HOME CO BDE

910001-915000 337 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/3 HOME CO

915001-920000 27 DAC/ HOME CO

915001-920000 338 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/4 HOME CO (BROKEN UP, MAR 16)

920001-925000 43 DAC/ HOME CO

920001-925000 67 DAC/ 2/HOME COUNTIES

925001-930000 280 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/1 LONDON BDE

925001-930000 290 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/1 LONDON BDE

930001-935000 281 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/2 LONDON BDE

930001-935000 291 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/2 LONDON BDE

935001-940000 282 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/3 LONDON BDE

935001-940000 292 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/3 LONDON BDE (BROKEN UP, SEP 16)

940001-945000 283 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/4 LONDON BDE

940001-945000 293 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/4 LONDON BDE

945001-950000 56 DAC/ 1 LONDON

945001-950000 58 DAC/ 2/1ST LONDON

950001-955000 235 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/5 LONDON BDE

950001-955000 300 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/5 LONDON (BROKEN UP AUG 16)

955001-960000 236 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/6 LONDON BDE

955001-960000 301 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/6 LONDON

960001-965000 237 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/7 LONDON BDE

960001-965000 302 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/7 LONDON

965001-970000 238 BDE, RFA TF/ 1/8 LONDON BDE

965001-970000 303 BDE, RFA TF/ 2/8 LONDON

970001-975000 47 DAC/ 2ND LONDON

970001-975000 60 DAC/ 2/2ND LONDO

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I still think the numdering is a black art. My Grandfather attested under the Derby Scheme (in Oxford) and was called up in September 1916. His attestation papers give his number as 169149. He joined at Woolwich Arsenal and post training was posted to the 281Bde RFA where he served throughout he war.

So he had a 6 digit number in 1916 and it does not seem to fit into any of the number ranges!

Bob

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Bob,

Six figure numbers below 300000 are from the Regular sequence. The fact he was not renumbered when posted to 281 Bde RFA as per this list is because the posting was AFTER January 1, 1917. You can get regulars in TF brigades and vice versa. His number did not have to change as it was already unique in the new sequence.

I've just discoved that the role of the TF Record Office was complicated slightly by ACI 2325 of 1916. This stated that postings between December 12, 1916 and December 31, 1916 were to be regarded as attachments. So even though a man could easily move to another Division, affiliated with a different TF Record Office, his documents stayed tied to the original unit and consequently the new number reflected this.

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David

Does this indicate that the 12th December 1916 was the point at which nominal roles were to be used for the forthcoming re-numbering ?

Ian

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